Judge rules searches were legal in Fairbanks ‘241’ militia case
by Sam Friedman / sfriedman@newsminer.com
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FAIRBANKS — A federal judge sided with prosecutors in the case against three Fairbanks-area militia members Wednesday, ruling that two searches that uncovered many of the weapons central to the case were legal.

The ruling is the latest setback for defense attorneys trying to challenge evidence against Schaeffer Cox, Coleman Barney and Lonnie Vernon, who are scheduled to go to trial in May on charges of planning to kill federal employees and owning illegal weapons.

In court filings and during a two-day evidentiary hearing last month in Anchorage, Tim Dooley, the attorney for defendant Coleman Barney, tried to challenge the search warrant used to search Barney’s North Pole area home and a trailer left in the parking lot of the World Ice Art Championships last year. He argued prosecutors behaved recklessly by depending on Gerald “JR” Olson, a convicted felon who received a lower sentence by helping the FBI infiltrate Cox’s Peacemaker’s militia.

Prosecutors argued investigators were able to verify Olson’s work by listening to recordings he made and by confirming his reports with a second informant, Anchorage military surplus store owner and body guard Bill Fulton.

Unlike a number of evidentiary challenges District Court Judge Robert J. Bryan rejected in court in Anchorage, he asked for more time and more information on the search warrant issue. Eventually, he concluded there were not enough problems with the FBI’s search warrant request to throw out the fruits of the search.

“With the mass of information before him (FBI) Special Agent Westerhaus had to draw some inferences and make some interpretations in preparing the affidavits (to request a search warrant),” he said. “His interpretations and inferences were reasonable under the totality of the information and circumstances known to him.”

Defense attorneys were more successful in challenging the legality of evidence in a related case in state court last fall. That case, which accused these defendants and two others of planning to kill state officials, was thrown out by state prosecutors after a state judge ruled the audio and video recordings made by the informants were not admissible as evidence in state court. Unlike they physical searches, prosecutors did not request warrants before making the recordings.

Contact staff writer Sam Friedman at 459-7545.
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betweenthelines
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February 16, 2012
How will anyone know if any law enforcement entities in the lower 48 were suspicious or investigating Cox/Barney/Vernon and whomever else if evidence is supressed? That may never be known, and it doesn't matter. Jurisdiction would be Alaska, if I am not mistaken (regardless of who or how many were suspicious). Maybe hundreds of law enforcement people were suspicous; how do we know? I don't find it that difficult to not be "led into compromising behavior" that would indicate I am a potentially dangerous criminal, and thus be investigated for planning and plotting the murders of many innocent individuals, nor do millions of people so it doesn't make me special. Nobody can "create" a murderer. Let ALL the evidence speak for itself. Then, a jury can decide fairly.
Pearl=W
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February 18, 2012
Actually, one can know what the FBI in the lower 48 thought because they said. It's relevent because there is no evidence of anything but 'mouth' from Cox before the informant/instigator was inserted into their group. Had the Troopers and/or the FBK Ass't DA had any 'probable cause' to invade the privacy of this group, it would have been quite easy to have obtained the proper warrent to make their actions legal under AK Law.

You obviously have never had the opportunity [or motivation] to examine an LE 'spin job' in a situation where factual reality is/was know before hand, to compare the spin to the actual context. There are a number of examples involving the very AST detachment that set up this operation. There are even 1 or 2 that got documented, where you can detect actual manipulation of the physical evidence, such as cutting and splicing audio tape to create a false appearance of guilt.

I don't want an LE force that operates outside our Laws. Regardless of the fearmongering.
betweenthelines
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February 15, 2012
To Pearl=W, as a fellow non-supporter of Cox/Barney/Vernon, and a non-supporter of many criminals, including McVeigh, who took the lives of 168 people in Oklahoma City (and also managed to injure 800 more), I believe McVeigh's Constitutional Rights were respected. There are rights mentioned in Declaration of Independence, the pursuit of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness/property. The children in the daycare in Oklahoma that day, April 19, (a holiday celebrated by a lot of militia members) never had the chance to pursue anything. How far do we want to go to make sure no evidence is ever allowed? Prison is filled with 100% framed or non-guilty parties. There are more people willing to admit mistakes outside of prison walls.
Pearl=W
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February 15, 2012
Oh, I quite agree that McV's human and civil rights were respected. And he was quite justly convicted. I would want neither to have been any other way. We need to go as far as necessary to ensure that LE does not feel that they can **create** evidence to support their *opinions* of someone's guilty intentions, when THEY do not feel they have any evidence sufficient to convenience a judge to issue a warrent [probable cause].

It was the Troopers and Fbk's ass't DA who stepped outside the Law, inserted an individual whom they KNEW to be skilled at persuading people to act against wiser judgement into peoples' private lives, essentially paying him to lead those people into some/any compromising behavior. Would they have arrived there anyway? No way to know, but the FBI in the lower 48 had listened to Cox rant on, and saw no reason to pursue/investigate his actions.
Pearl=W
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February 15, 2012
con't - Do we REALLY want [feel that we need] enough police that they can put instigators into all of our lives to see if any of us can be tempted to say or do foolish compromising things that will allow the arresting of all *potential* violators of Law??

I don't happen to feel that such behavior is compatible with a free society where people are allowed to express their opinions, even when they are clearly "full of it". I don't want a T.McV or el Quida to be allowed to [or be the excuse for] distroy the freedoms that makes us great.
Pearl=W
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February 15, 2012
con't - and you are absolutely incorrect, and quite obviously misleading, when you say that the prisons are full 100% with individuals who deny their criminal actions. I know many inmates who most surely admit that they committed the crimes for which they are incarcerated - the vast majority in fact. I also know, as has been very well proven by things like modern DNA testing, recantation of LE-rewarded witnesses, etc. that a number of inmates who have persisted in denying guilt were, in fact, never guilty, but have been denied years and years of a free life because some LEOs "had an opinion", and rewarded testimony that would support them.
notsomuch
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February 14, 2012
I read an article that indicates the Mormon church supports and is financially backing the defense in this case. Is this true? If so, what do they use as reason?
betweenthelines
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February 14, 2012
For all the pro Cox/Barney/Vernon supporters/anti-government folks out there, I am wondering, were you there supporting McVeigh and Nichols (time, money, support)? Were you worried about their constitutional rights being upheld? Did you rally for evidence to be suppressed and the case to be dismissed? Do you rally for all the federal/state defendants and their rights, or is this agenda on a case-by-case basis?
Pearl=W
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February 14, 2012
I'm not a Cox supporter at all, and I'm actually kind of 'pro-gov't' in a fairly big way. But a people's gov't is not entirely and exclusively equivalent with it's police/enforcement bodies, you know.

I feel, in agreement with our founding fathers [who'd had some experience with unfettered gov't power over citizens] there needs to be some limitations, controls, and regulation of gov'tal power, and such needs to be consistently and fairly applied to all, whether or not they're a little cracked, or so foolish as to tell tall tales, verbally and publicly 'disrespecting' police power to it's face, or possibly murderous criminals with no respect for human life.

So, though I'm quite glad TMcV was brought to justice, yes indeed, I would stand up for his constitutional and human rights, right down to the bitter end. It's the citizen support for those rights, not the super-snoop abilities of over-empowered LE, that makes the USA a proud and special nation, and that will keep it that way.
Buick-Mackane
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February 11, 2012
joesatriani, 1) My ' shut up and play your guitar ' reference was to a Frank Zappa triple album , and both Satriani and Zappa as guitarists offered my being facetious. It was not as an insult to you. maybe you are aware of this , maybe you're not - just thought I'd clear that up.

2) I am familiar with John Rawls and don't care much for his foundational "veil of ignorance " appropriation of just rules for the fact the decider of rules is not constrained in matters of time , resources , etc. i.e. , SCARCITY, and as Hans Hermann Hoppe put it , that the decider, without need , has no reason not to just sit and do nothing - " In a world without scarcity, I don't have to write a book at all."

I also don't buy that individual liberty's upsetting patterns of predictability are some ominous forces that equality could remedy without compromising that liberty. I find individual liberty the higher morality and justice.

3) I agree wholeheartedly with your last sentence regarding common law.
Pearl=W
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February 10, 2012
Something I don't hear much comment on, but that people in Alaska need to pay heed to: It was the Alaska DA and the Alaska Troopers who sold out Alaskan citizens' rights to law-enforcement and Justice when they bargained with Olson [to 'overlook' his defrauding of AK citizens IF he could set up a case against Cox and Co.].

And yet, BOTH the Alaskan DA [the head of our own Fbk DA's Office] and the Alaska State Troopers most surely were aware that they had NO legitimate right to be invading privacy and taping these people without first showing sufficient grounds, probable cause, to an Ak Judge, and getting a warrent. This kind of suggests to me that the Troopers and the DA perhaps did not HAVE probable cause for their suspicions.

One wonders, considering that the FBI in the lower 48 had heard Cox's rantings and dismissed him as any kind of threat, what kind of favors the local FBI and/or Fbk Fed DA might have been paying off when they went forward with this farce.
islandliver
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February 11, 2012
I have no problem with all the plea bargaining, informant recruitment that goes on. The concept is simply: you use whatever it takes to catch the bad guys.

Pearl=W
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February 11, 2012
Two problems with that, is-liver.

1] when plea bargained informants are allowed [esp without impartial/judical oversight], there is a huge risk that resulting 'info' is contaminated, manipulated, manufactured, and/or largely untrue, because the informant wants his reward and has no vested interest in Truth and Justice. It is essentially purchased testimony, which is not considered acceptable. And stats show that such informants are a very large contributor to false convictions.

2] who defines 'bad guys'? VS say kooks, loudmouths, etc? If there was not enough valid grounds for LE and DA suspicions for them to have applied for and gotten a search warrent, what stops some paranoid DA or vengeful LEO from invading *anybody's* privacy by inserting some phony into your circle of friends, leading and then taping private conversations with the intention to spin doctor the result?

The situation here is that the AK DA and AST KNEW they were committing an illegal act. How is that OK???
chena13
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February 10, 2012
those guys

aren't going to be able to

play with the walrus

under the wendell st. bridge

for a long time ..
Buick-Mackane
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February 10, 2012
aktrucido, talking about abilities or lack thereof , I find it interesting that you gave a false-choice statement that it is one or the other and not both.

Carry on and I wish you well.
Buick-Mackane
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February 10, 2012
Not to mention where I had already given you examples of common law in this country. From in what " brand of law " do you think our Bill of Rights originated ?
BushTeacher
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February 10, 2012
Seriously! I don't see how anyone could possibly believe that JR Olson didn't manipulate his findings, his recordings, anything he does! I know he will manipulate things to go his way. He is a well known crook, and the prosecutors and judge are just blindly following him and letting him get away with things, and helping him set these people up! I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw an elephant!
Buick-Mackane
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February 10, 2012
aktrucido , actually , if you knew any better , you would 1) know that just right here in this thread , jackson-greene alluded to one FACT of the existence of common law and 2) you would know that your conclusion about Cox's predicament does not follow the premise. It is akin to saying " Since assuming a hostage's brand of law is correct , the hostage has not been kidnapped because the kidnappers have no authority to kidnap the hostage. ".

But it's worse than that, because it illustrates that you do not really understand the nature of the conflict in the first place.

As far as I'm concerned, you've had plenty of time to get your s#$t together on this matter, because it is obvious to me that you haven't.

It would be pretty stupid of me to waste more time with you on this matter when it is obvious that you have little genuine interest in it. Your interest appears to lie in repeating the same thing over and over with some idea it becomes more true.
aktrucido
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February 10, 2012
Buick-Mackane

OK it exist because you say it exist, right-o.

OK what’s better?

In Alaska it’s against the “law” to operate motor vehicles under the influence, per AS 28.35.030.

Or

Taking a cue from you saying, in Alaska it’s against the “law” to operate motor vehicles in Alaska because I said so.

It might not be my ability to understand, it might be your ability to explain.

I will look else where for explanations.

Buick-Mackane
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February 10, 2012
aktrucido, you wouldn't be stating that common law 'probably ' exists if you knew what you were talking about.

Your ' hologram/clone ' argument is a non sequitur of most absurd proportion.
aktrucido
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February 10, 2012
Buick-Mackane

You wouldn’t have responded to me in this manner, if you knew and/or could prove what you’re talking about.

Underminer
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February 10, 2012
OH MY GOSH!! Its the "What you say, is what you are" reply. Now there is a fiery retort!!

LOL!!!!
joesatriani
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February 10, 2012
Buick-Mackane, your attitude of common law is wack'ed, you could do better by reading A theory of Justice, by jonh rawls. tell then you could shut up ,as you told me a few days back. common law would work fine if ,it were use'ed, but sad to say the court's use not much of it.
Buick-Mackane
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February 10, 2012
Underminer, it not only considers the American people its enemy, it has made it so in law on more than one occasion.
aktrucido
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February 10, 2012
Buick-Mackane

Sorry for not following “common law” political correctness.

I have said “common law” probably does exist, BUT NOT as proclaimed by certain people.

Want reality? Statements were made by Schaeffer challenging the authority court system.

The court system seems to think is has him in the court system. So assuming Schaeffer’s brand of common law is correct, Schaeffer is not in prison, since they have no authority.

Getting charged is getting charged, trial are trials, and incarceration is incarceration. For some the reality of this escapes some.

Buick-Mackane
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February 10, 2012
jackson_greene , that common law most definitely exists and for the sake of constitutional-fitness , should be exercised. The exercise of the jury as the true judge would is one way it should be so.

So, how did I do for keeping it short ?
jackson_greene
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February 10, 2012
Buick-Mackane

What's your take on "common law"? Jury Trial and U.S.Constitution?
Buick-Mackane
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February 10, 2012
aktrucido, ' First the media ignores that Schaeffer is a clone, or a hologram . '

Much like common law is in your mind, eh friend ?

You shouldn't have been so disingenuous. The evidence in your continued use of that ignorant statement . Stop pretending that you're interested in the issue.
really_wow
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February 10, 2012
"not enough problems with the FBI’s search warrant"??

How many problems does it take to be a bad search warrant?

Interpretations and inferences, not facts???

What's next??? Hear say? Rumors??

Dishonesty & malpractice of the law.

Justice at it's worse.

I'm not even a Cox & party fan......

islandliver
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February 10, 2012
really_wow basing your opinions of what you've read and not actually being the one to review the information the judge actually used is hardly an accurate appraisal of the case.
Underminer
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February 10, 2012
If most cognizant readers had the opportunity to "review the information the judge actually used", I believe it would read far worse than really_wow stated....which as far as the information the News Miner provided, that assessment was spot on. Most Americans who get up and go to work every day, realize that our government lies to us every chance it gets. Why does it lie to us? Because it considers the American people its enemy.
dirttramp
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February 10, 2012
The name Coleman Barney sounds more like a butler, not a home grown terrorist.
morym
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February 10, 2012
sounds more like an investment company... Coleman Barney... for your financial needs!
hrdharry
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February 10, 2012
I've never been to court at Denny's, but I think the 241 grand slammer special comes with hash browns.
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