President Bush to visit Eielson on Monday
Originally published Friday, August 1, 2008 at 9:27 a.m.
Updated Friday, August 1, 2008 at 2:47 p.m.
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Stumble It!FAIRBANKS -- President Bush will visit the Fairbanks area on Monday, according to an announcement issued today by the White House. He will speak to troops at Eielson Air Force Base.
The Richardson Highway alongside Eielson Air Force Base will be closed from 3:35 to 4:35 p.m. and again from 5:55 to 6:20 p.m. for security purposes during President Bush’s visit.
Bush will be passing through Alaska on a trip to the Far East that includes stops in South Korea, Thailand and three days at the Olympics in Beijing, China.
Air Force One, carrying Bush, will be making a refueling stop at Eielson.
Bush will be accompanied by his wife and will remain at Eielson for two hours. He has no events scheduled outside of the base, said Eielson Lt. Frank Hartnett, spokesman for Eielson.
Fort Wainwright personnel have been invited to Eielson to hear the president, who is expected to speak about military matters. Alaska politicians have also been invited, but Hartnett did not know yet who among them plans to attend.
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Curious to stop at Eielson instead of Elmendorf. I hope the president gets to see some of Alaska, and that the weather clears up for his visit.
This is bizarre...
We arrived in Fairbanks just days before Reagan and the Pope met in Fairbanks. Here it is, 24-years later, we're pulling out of Alaska and Bush shows up just before we depart. That's full circle!
I bet it will be pouring rain, just like it was in April of '84.
Huh.... First, we're visited by disastrous rains and now we're going to be visited by a disastrous president. As if we don't have enough trouble already!
Eielson has some high-tech stuff, don't let him touch anything!
All of you Bush bashing loud mouth folks that have been posting on here, this is your big chance to tell the President of the United States just how you feel about him. Or mabe you alligator mouths have overloaded your tweetie bird butts. Especially the Knucklehead who thought it was cute to wish ill will to Mr. Bush.
ksflatlander: And how exactly do you suggest we express our displeasure? Just walk up to him and tell him?
Not only would I have to be granted permission to enter a military base, but also get through what is undoubtedly many levels of personal security.
Somehow, your ideas seem inane and akin to childish ranting.
Last photo op for local politicians before election time. Wonder if Ted Stevens will show up.
Thanks, KSFLATLANDER, you really told them!
Good job standing up for Bush, a president with, as one historian stated, "the paranoia of Nixon, the ethics of Harding and the good sense of Herbert Hoover."
I don't have the stomach to get into this administration's disgusting abuse of power in a disastrous war, which certainly tops my list of reasons why I'm glad to see Bush go. His failed response to natural disasters and climate change issues are reason enough for patriots to dissent, and I hope that a number of them do next Monday.
kenwoods-Use your enormous brain power that you think you have. You like hiding on the web but have no backbone to back up your hate.
Yep, KSflatearther's posts invariably display his Herculean intellect!
No civilians will be allowed anywhere NEAR dubya, I'm sure.
Luckily, you don't have to be near him to dissent - stage a rally somewhere public? :)
newsreader-Mabe you could buddy-up with sdoownek and hold up signs and scream insults as the President goes by, much like you do on here.
Ooo! I'll bring the megaphones and the american flag confetti!
I wonder if the Pres. will stop at the "BIG I" for old times sake.
Right-On AKNATUFF- I learned a long time ago, back in 1967, to respectfully salute the rank a person carries on their shoulders and you can't get any higher in rank than the President. Mabe some of you should enlist and find out first hand what it means to serve a country that's filled with hate.
There are plenty of people who serve (or have served) in our armed forces who disagree with decisions the current administration has made.
Hey, maybe we can get a sound bite for our flood like New Orleans did for Katrina. . . Maybe something inane like "you're doin' a heck of a job, Strleee!"
Name One?
i wonduh if g.i. bush is gonna fwry in, in a big fast ay-r-prane, and den land to a frong of adoring fwag-waving peoples and a mission accomprished bannuh. dat wud be so wrad! huway! to da gray-test special prez-uh-dent dere eveh was! he protect us frum dah turrists!
Well, how about a number of the people who are part of this organization: http://www.veteransforpeace.org/
patcaribou-Take your foot out of your mouth and you'll be able to enunciate your words better.
Got some news for ya, AKN...our military is NOT fighting for our country in Iraq. They are fighting in the context of an illegal, unnecessary INVASION. Had they been sent to Afghanistan after 9/11, they would have bin Laden in custody by now, and our country would not be in quite the mess it is today. Don't start with the "support our troops" either....I do. They are puppets, whose patriotism, dedication, devotion, selflessness, hearts and LIVES are being wasted on the greed and corruption of old men with ulterior motives.
As for bush**'s visit...well I'm certain that sdoownek and newsreader would not be alone on the side of the road booing the man who, if justice was served, would not be allowed to leave the office of the President with any honor. They would be flanked by many, many angry, disillusioned, struggling folks who are just glad to be seeing him GO!!!
Peace
akblugirl- I would ask you, what country does our military serve? You spill out so much dribble about support for our troops and in the same breath call them puppets. You end with the word Peace. You have no idea what the price of peace has cost this nation. And I "will" start with the Support Our Troops, because you and many more are just giving them lip service.
Flatlander, thanks for standing up. I'm sure most of these libs would be singing the same toon even if al gore or john kerry were president. Although I don't agree with everything Pres Bush has done I voted for him twice, and I know the country is better because of the job he has done.
Funny how many bash just our president, when there are probably many who contributed to where we are today. I bet any other president in power, there would be some other decision the country would hate about them as well. Same story, different person. Nothing's going to change.
akbru
how day-uh you! you shud be watuh-boded fuh yuhr diswehspeckful ranting. typical breeding hart wribrul. donut you know dat we had to fight da iswamic fascists over dere so we donut have to fight dem over here? geuge bush, he wrearry wrearry smart man and he gonna wrock all you treasonous ribruls up!
akblugirl- I don't see how you could come out of your mouth and bad talk the troops. How dare you call them puppets and talk about their patriotism. I strongly doubt that you would ever to be able to do what they do. Or withstand the negative talk from people who's freedoms they are fighting for. I would assume that you would be one of those sad people.
I'd vote for W again! Democrats have controlled everything in recent history and nothing has been done other than point fingers. Typical of the type. If I weren't on the slope getting this horrible black stuff out of the ground for the subaru driving idiots that don't realize they can't survive without it, I'd be heading to Eielson to see the President's last visit to Alaska as Commander in Chief. Best wishes to you lemmings!
i hope dat wen bush in china, he go to american frag factory...and maybe to a war-mart factory too? i hear war-mart not wike obama...war-mart tell managers too vote against dat man cuz den dah unions mite twy to unionize da wuhkers...why wud da wuhkers wanna unionize anyway? days unions isa bunch a communiss's.
Good that Bush is going to make it up to Fairbanks before his term is over. He hasn't been a perfect president, but he has been a good president for our time. He will be known for aggressively defending this nation after 9/11. The move into Afghanistan and Iraq to persue and attract Al Queda was Bin Laden's worse nightmare. The elimenation of Sadamm and his henchmen, and the liberation of the Shiites highlight that effort, and offer hope that the Middle East will some day be a land of civilized people. Imagine if Gore would have been President. He would have figured out a way to send lawyers instead of the Marines.
Let's not forget that had Clinton been worth anything Bin Laden would already be dead from a hellfire missile from an UAV. Several terrorist attacks during his administration and all he could muster is to send a few cruise missiles into the desert. That will show them!!
I have never in my life been more ashamed of the people in the United States. Respect has been lost for so many of the things we hold dear. Respect for our Government, it's leaders, for Fathers and Mothers, Children, respect for life and personal property. Blame is being laid at the doorstep of the president but it should be at the doorstep of every American not teaching Respect to our children. The Pledge of Allegiance has but a few words. The one word everyone fights about is God. What about the word Allegiance or Indivisible. Look these two words up and find out where you stand.
"if justice was served, would not be allowed to leave the office of the President with any honor"
He has already lost it in my book. I agree completely with akblugirl.
I'm hoping that the runway will washout!!! Then maybe he can land somewhere else before going to hang out with his communist buddies in China during the Olympics.
i hope dat he will where dat pi-wot uniform...dat codpiece is reary good...it reary accentuates, to da enemies, who carries da "biggest stick" so-two speak.
ksflatlander, It took you until 1967 to honor the FLAG and YOUR country. WOW, WHEN YOU GROW UP MAYBE I'LL LISTEN TO YOUR SMART MOUTH. Until then, gives us OLD FOLKS A BREAK, IT MUST BE PAST YOUR BED TIME....
A gathering that takes place in such a way as to not block the traffic, and not block pedestrians, on the side of the Richardson Hwy, might be legal, depending on any laws governing foot traffic in that area of the highway, if any exist. There's a right-of-way through there, to either side of the highway, that's questionably under the DoD's control, but the control-minded folks in D.C. have been quick to label nearly anything that defames Shrub as a 'security threat.'
At a bare minimum, it could be another opportunity to probe just how much damage has been done to the 1st Amendment.
I think that Monday might be a great day for a road-side picnic, complete with detailed, all-inclusive listings of the Chimp's criminal actions, infractions against the Bill of Rights, etc. There's not much going on at the fair that day, and the weather might even improve. I've got an amplified bull horn if one's needed.
Thanks for the idea Flatlander!!
Perhaps AKNATUFF could even make a cameo appearance, just long enough to point toward HIS path out of the state... Maybe he and Shrub could travel that road together. I'm thinking that they'd both enjoy the decorum at the Chinese Olympics.. sharing similar principles, and all.. ;^>)
I would rather Bush stay here and we put all of the liberals on the plane and send them to China... Maybe after they live in a communist country for a while they would appreciate what they had here under a president who wasn’t scared to act.
>I have never in my life been more ashamed of the people in the United States
Gee Flat Lander, I think you were born in the wrong place at the wrong time. I think you would have been much happier in say, 1936 and in Berlin. Now there was a regime that KNEW something about patriotism! Yes sir, no flag burning Jesus hating commie liberals would dare stage a demonstration, or talk down the SS.. They would find themselves with a bullet in the brain pan lickity split! Yep you would have been much happier there...
Roofman-could you inumerate the ways that our country is better for the eight years Bush has been in office? I'm just curious as to what you consider better to be...
marlowmill-You read about as good as you write. I went in the army in 1967 and learned about rank. I had been reciting the Pledge of Allegiance in scool long before that. Put your glasses on.
Dirk-Like I thought, you're part of why I'm ashamed of our people.
KSFLATLANDER, i actually agree with you. respect is a thing of the past...i think they should start teaching it the classrooms of children. because apparently parents these days forget what the word means in how they're raising youngsters. in 20 years this world is going to be a scary place.
I don't think that there is anything wrong with Flatlander being ashamed of the people in the United States. I am ashamed of a majority of them too. Sad individuals
You're right Flatlander.
There never was any history of standing up to abuse of authority in this country. Individualism, free speech, and the Bill of Rights are the -real- cancers.
Capitulation and conformity are the attributes that traditionally made America great. It was all of those folks who were willing to go along with what ever they were told that got things done, right?
Glad to know how well you understand your United States history.
Glad to know that I could increase your sense of malaise today, Flatlander. And equally glad that you're nolonger among us.
Maybe you and that puppy-kicking Atwood fella' could hang out together and rewrite some more of our history??
Big deal Bush is stopping at eilson wooo hooo.
He takes the time to actually get out and visit people in other states but not Alaskans. We arent that important anyway I guess. The military will be blessed with his presence but us alaskans can kiss his a ss I guess.
I'm amazed that there are people out there that still support this man.
I'm not amazed, however, at the blind patriotism. Without the recognition that there's an extreme delineation between the office and the person, one is left with no other choice than to support every decision that the man makes. People like ksflatlander aren't willing to see beyond their own experiences, take the chance that their worldview might be expanded, or that they're just plain wrong.
But, really, whatever. It doesn't matter.
Being ashamed of your fellow countrymen does not necessarily make you unpatriotic. The American revolution was started by a minority who had the guts to stand up against the government. The true patriots stand for what's right, not for unquestioned obedience.
This administration has taken away our rights one by one, and believe me I'm no left-winger. The party we put into office failed to uphold its promises. In 2000 Bush campaigned AGAINST warmongering. He has sliced away slowly at the Bill of Rights. The man is no conservative. Unfortunately, there is no conservative in the main 2008 party race either.
Guess I'll have to "throw away my vote" on a 3rd party candidate.
WOW. Talk about lemmings!
Let’s see now…..
KSF, our military SHOULD be serving OUR country, preserving OUR freedoms, but tell me….exactly what threats to the USA did Sadaam and Iraq pose? There weren’t even any WMDs! It was well known that bin Laden, the choreographer of the 9/11 attacks, was in Afghanistan. That’s where our troops should have been sent. Period. The invasion of Iraq was nothing more than a smoke screen, a pre-planned atrocity in it’s own right that had nothing whatsoever to do with the attack on our land.
I believe that our GI s have all the courage and patriotism in the world in their hearts. They have been told to go to the middle east and do a job they have been trained to do, and they are eager to do so. I support that spirit. I do not support the waste of their lives.
I am old enough to know very well the price paid for the freedoms we enjoy.
Peace? It’s a dream, not a reality.
I’d very much like to know how we are “better” for the job GWB has done, roofman.
UAFgrad…no president in US history has ever had a lower approval rating than G…no president in US history has ever been so disdained by so many, around the world.
Entrigued…I have not “bad-talked” the troops. Calling them puppets, (may I add innocent puppets) infers nothing negative. Picture each and every one of them with strings attached to their arms. They are taken from wherever they did their basic training and sent “over there” for x number of months. X number of months later, and they’re still there ….. sorry, people. They may or may not be given some r and r, and bam! they’re back “over there” for another extra,extended, x number of months. Years, for some. You’re right though, I couldn’t/wouldn’t do the job they’re doing.
Know though, that the freedoms we enjoy were won many years ago during real wars with real threats attached. These troops are fighting for various reasons, none of them valid.
YellowRiver…W has not been a good president in any way, shape or form. He will be known for deceiving the American people and using Iraq as a transparent ploy to make billions of dollars for his cronies, as well as many other reasons, none of them worth the resultant death and destruction . He will be known for “squandering” one of the largest financial surpluses this nation has ever had.
Malcontent…I’m not a big fan of slickbill, either.
KSF…I agree with you about the loss of respect for things that should be held highly…but I happen to be a mother, grandmother who has taught many of the same values and mores that I was taught in the 50’s. However, respect must most often be earned. The administration that exists in DC has lost any respect it should have tried to foster and cherish and deserve.
Peace
akblugirl
you just said everything i was thinking.
Did anyone invite him to the fair?
Did anyone invite him to the Fair?
RIGHT ON AKBLUGIRL, RIGHT ON!
How soon we forget our Gov't classes. True power lies in the senate and congress. If you are tired of the bs in Washington, you need to change your Senator or Congress person. The President has very little power compared to them. It's easy to forget though. So on Nov, 4th don't forget and do something about it. The President is just a figure head. By the way get ready Fairbanks because the Arrogant Texan is moving there in September and believe me Fairbanks will never be the same!! Go Cowboys!!!
Bu$h is Rapture Ready... are you?
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It will all be over in January. That is the beauty of the American system, you can have a turn over of the presidential leadership every 4 or 8 years without ever shedding a drop of blood. There is an advantage to term limits, maybe it should be applied to Senators and House Reps.
Hey just in time for the 5 week vacation in congress!
akblugirl-Respect is a tricky word. It is also a two way street. In order to have respect for others you must start with yourself. When you teach your children, grandchildren, disrespect for the Highest Office this country has, they will learn just that, disrespect for everything. The object of my comments today was to try to get at least some people thinking in a New, Old, way. Learn from mistakes and build a better tomorrow. Teach your children well.
heck with Bush, they passed AGIA in the Senate.
KSF~ I have not taught disrespect for the "Highest Office this country has"....but I have taught to "Question Authority".
Peace
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!
LOL, Distant Thunder!
Politics do make strange bedfellows.
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AKNATUFF - The word is RIGHT, not RITE. Rite means some sort of religious or ceremonial practice. (Taking communion is a rite). Right means a correct judgment or answer, the right to do something, your right hand etc.
I agree with akblugirl also. For anyone that gets upset over the use of the word "puppet", calm down, it's exactaly what they are. The soldiers make important day to day decisions that have to with the life safety of their troops and the overall success of their individual mission. However, their overall actions are being completely controlled by the government.
That is the whole premise of how the military works, in every country, not just the US.
Amazing looking over all of the above comments. Folks like flatlander need to have the flag flying on their sleeves, and a litmus test for all Americans for patriotism. Remarkable that people can go through the school system and live in this country without understanding it's basic principles. "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." Not MoveOn.org, but Jefferson. We all have not only a right but responsibility to criticize our government, and to do whatever it takes to make it better. Unfortunately with the corruption and transfer of wealth and power over the last two Bush terms, likely the only way is anarchy. But maybe not. Either way, I love my country, distrust my government, and all who tell me to love-it-or-leave-it can go to hell.
All I'm going to say is please be mindful that when posting, there are those of us that are active duty families and no matter where my husband is sent around the world for whatever cause, it's to protect your rights to say what you do.
It's hurtful to read such comments as this:
"They are puppets, whose patriotism, dedication, devotion, selflessness, hearts and LIVES are being wasted on the greed and corruption of old men with ulterior motives."
Think of my 2 children who are about to say good-bye to their dad once again shortly. Would you really tell them their dad is a puppet?
Just FYI - we're stationed at Eielson. And you're very welcome.
flatlander - There is a difference between teaching respect for an office and respect for a person. I respect the office of president, if I am unhappy I'm going to follow the proper channels and what not. As far as respecting the person though........that is a lot to ask for in this case.
akblugirl,
Questioning authority for the mere sake of it is as bad as obeying it without question. There is a balance that must be met. Undue questioning leads to the inability for anything to get done. Lack of questioning leads to abuse of power by those of authority. Just make sure that in your absolute questioning of authority that you don't do more damage than the authority you question.
FreeDarfur
You hit the nail on the head! Term limits for everyone.
>It will all be over in January.
This thing wont be over at all in January. The mess that Bush left us in a wrecked economy, civil rights taken back 100 years, accepted torture, invasion of other countries and then sending them the bill will be with us for a long time to come. Pretty much you name it, the man was a bull in the china shop of freedom on the planet. The next president, R or D will inherit a major disaster. The Bush legacy is much like a very bad renter who after 8 years trashing the place and not paying the rent will hand over to the next renter a house in shambles. In a way I hope the republicians keep control. It will give us another 4 years of going down the toilet to drive that final nail in their Contract with America crap and send them deep into the minority for the next quarter century. There are still too many flatlanders out there at this time who still believe the world is flat and the greatest, and only country of importance on this flat world is the USA. Most meaningful change comes at a cost, so maybe we will finally learn the lessons of letting capitalism go unbridled.
Mamabear-I wish for the safe return of your family members once they have completed their tour. May providence keep them safe. A very good friend of mine is shipping out today for Iraq, and no matter the personal beliefs anyone has about the war itself, we should all hope and pray for their safety. They are true heroes who give selflessly of themselves, sometimes ALL of themselves, to protect our right to live free and have any opinion we wish. I salute them all! Hurry home, Sean, and keep your head down.
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I wonder if the Pres. will stop at the "BIG I" for old times sake.
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woodman.... were you in Fairbanks 1974 ??
I could write volumes about what I saw and experienced in Fairbanks 1974, but for the sake of my own skin I'll wait until I read a certain someones obit.
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akblugirl- I for one am not a puppet and I do not have strings hanging off of me anywhere. So when you talk negatively you should really think of what you are saying. I don't care if you call us innocent or not. I am glad that you are not serving next to me, I wouldn't want you next to me in a war. Whether here in the US or abroad. And for your information we are not taken from whatever we do in basic training and over there. Get some research and present me with some facts before you open your mouth again. The so called freedoms that were won many years ago so that you run your mouth now were fought by soldiers. You didn't win anything, you inherited it. If you don't know what WE the Soldiers are fighting for then maybe you should stop and ask us.
akblugirl:
Entrigued…I have not “bad-talked” the troops. Calling them puppets, (may I add innocent puppets) infers nothing negative. Picture each and every one of them with strings attached to their arms. They are taken from wherever they did their basic training and sent “over there” for x number of months. X number of months later, and they’re still there ….. sorry, people. They may or may not be given some r and r, and bam! they’re back “over there” for another extra,extended, x number of months. Years, for some. You’re right though, I couldn’t/wouldn’t do the job they’re doing.
Know though, that the freedoms we enjoy were won many years ago during real wars with real threats attached. These troops are fighting for various reasons, none of them valid.
Raytech63, Apparently you missed the unilateral decisions that were enacted via the DoJ and the NSA, as well as the impact/implications of Shrub's unconstitutional 'signing statements.'
Yes, in theory, Congress controls the proverbial reigns. Someone should tell the Shrub that at least once a week, 'cause he seems to forget that point quite regularly.
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Flatlander, here's a Teddy Roosevelt quote, from an opinion piece that he had published in a newspaper in your neck of the woods.... during WWI, I might add..
"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."
"Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star", 149
May 7, 1918
According to your re-written version of American history, perhaps even Teddy Roosevelt was a shameful, unpatriotic, 'librul,' lacking in real manhood..
The neo-con masses spouting their of blind allegiance make me chuckle so hard that it hurts sometimes..
sdoownek- How dare you call anyone a puppet. You don't know the life that woman lives. So I would suggest you sit down somewhere.
Thank you Darth, it's much appreciated :)
And thank you as well entrigued :) I asked them to remove his disgusting, ignorant, name-calling comment towards me, and they agreed.
Was sdoownek's comment removed because he used the word "puppet", which it has been made clear is not being used in a disrespectful or defamatory way?
Entrigued: I assume you are in the Service. You are therefore a puppet of this government. I'll explain:
You (or other Servicemen) were sent overseas to invade Iraq, in the name of locating and destroying the supposed WMDs and other reasons.
You did not make the decision to go. You went when told, did so (I presume) nobly and with all your heart. You did your level-best to make America look good, fight good, and win what you were told was an important battle.
However, your sacrifice (and the greater sacrifices of those killed and wounded) was unfortunatly in vain. There were no WMDs. There were no terrorists. There was no need to invade Iraq. You were used. You were lied to. You were taken advantage of. Your respect and belief in the greatness of this country were leveraged to make you dismantle and destroy a sovereign nation and turn it into civil war.
That is why you are a puppet. It does not make your devotion to this country any less. It does not take away from the good that you tried to do. It does not take away from the sacrifices made by the thousands who will not return. It should make those who continue to preach of the glory of this war ashamed of themselves. It should cause President Bush to be impeached like the criminal he is.
You and your fellow servicemen are to be praised, at least, by anyone who understands this country's history. Your (and our) leaders are to be reviled.
Henry~ Thank you for making that point so succinct...I'm becoming so frustrated about this exchange...moreso now that I know that a post has been removed that shouldn't have been! sdoownek said just what both you and I have said, merely using bolder words, basically....
Dirk- Why don't you put your own life under a micrscope and allow millions of bull-headed, disrespectful, unpatriotic nitwits to examine your life. How would you look after eight years? There's no need to answer because no matter how many people are sitting, there's always a lot more standing. I stand up for America and believe in our way of life. You can believe anything you like. I'm just glad I don't live next door to you.
President Bush is still our Commander in Chief of the greatest country in the world.
He deserves the highest respect for the office he holds.
Who are you naysayers going to bash come next year?
Henry: I would completely have to disagree with you. I did not go over to Iraq to find Weapons of Mass Destruction. I went over there to do a job that I do here in the states. I am not a puppet as you would say. I choose to do the job that I do. Not all services are the same, and when my time comes to go again I will go. My husband and I choose our paths. I appreciate your point of view because you gave knowledge as to why you see us as puppets, but I still disagree with you. Yes I have lost friends and people that I considered family and I have been attacked, but I still wear my uniform with pride. Now to some the loss of their lives was in vain, but that comes with us signing the paper. I was no lied to and I was not used. I went to over there knowing what I was going to be doing there and what I would face everyday. So Henry I just guess that you have your opinion and I have mine.
akblugirl: Neither you nor anyone else can Call that woman a puppet. You haven't earned the right to do so. And like she said you are more than welcome to come here and say that to the many soldiers and families on the base.
entrigued~ It just so happens that I spent 4 miserable years as an Army wife. I have actually earned that right.
Peace
I'm goingt to agree with Henry on this one. Well said. No one in this country that I've ever met is against the soldiers themselves that's just insane. What I am against is the people are sending them over there and the reasons behind it.
This whole thing sort of seems like political farming. People are are for the war will say things like "Support our Troops!" Which implies that if you are against the war you must automatically be against our troops. It's the same thing with the abortion debate. People use the term pro-life and it implies that if you are against them you must be pro-death, which is of course also insane.
akblugirl: sorry to hear that your couldn't tuff it out
Ladd, that's debatable. Ever heard of China... or India?
My two cents.
I support Bush because ......
1998 - Madeline Albright : Rogue state (Iraq) will use nuclear and chemical or biological weapons against us, a gretest threat which we must and will stand firm.
1998 - Bill Clinton : we have given Saddam many opportunities to develope programs for weapons of mass destruction and continue to ignore solid commitments that Sadam made.
1998: Howard Dean: International outlaws = Iran and Iraq
1998: Sandy Berger: Feb 1998 Saddam will re-build his arsenal again and will use it again like he did 10x since 1983.
2002: Nancy Peolosi: (Meet the press 11-17-02) Saddam Hussein certainly has chemical and biological weapons.
2002: Jay Rockefeller on the senate floor: There is unmistakable evidence that S.H. is working aggressively to develop nucelar weapons.
I could go on.. but, nuff said. The start of the war was quick and it ended quickly, but it wasn't fulfilled mainly because of two reasons. To create a representative govt in iraq, and at the same time disband the Sunni's (army of the country).
The instability of that country led to civil war amongst their own people resulting in an occupation of our troops to maintain and stop the "ethnic cleansing" the Sunni's were imposing on the Shiites. Opportunistic Al-Qaida and Iran came in and caused havoc. Al-Qaida realising they couldn't win, they started sectarian wars inside against shiite arabs, and sunni arabs.
Iran came in when ethnic cleansing began, this was their opportunity. yadda yadda yadda. You can all come to your own conclusions.
Trust me, Flatlander, Teddy and I feel mutually about your not being our neighbor as well.
My life has been under scrutiny... many times. But then, I haven't invaded other countries based on false pretenses, violated international laws and treaties, worked dilligently at obliterating some of the most meaningful aspects of the Bill of Rights, or attempted to silence those who disagree with me by creating 'free speech zones' far away from main street. Certainly not in the ways that your hero GW has.
Apparently there's a lot of folks who believe in the form of treason that Teddy Roosevelt referred to, and all of that Orwellian, unquestioning, blind allegiance stuff that, historically, lots of totalitarians and uber-nationalists believed in.
Many of them supported such governing or squelching of dissent. Most of them were absolutely sure that they were doing so for the 'good of their nations,' too.
Follow who you will, KSF. I'll follow freedom, and oppose anyone that comes between my family's and my, liberty... regardless of the stripes on their shoulders, wearing the flag on their shirt-sleeves, or their uniform.
"A thief is a thief; it matters not as to whose uniform he wears." (T. Jefferson)
entrigued~ couldn't "tuff" what out? A life of alcoholic abuse fostered by the macho military brainwash? What a bitch I must be....
>This whole thing sort of seems like political farming. People are are for the war will say things like "Support our Troops!" Which implies that if you are against the war you must automatically be against our troops
Valkyrie, G.Bush said it best when he stated that "You are either with us or against us". That disgusting man had the nerve to divide up not only the world, but this country as well. I will never forgive him for making that statement or for tearing this country apart with fear.
You can't blame the President for tearing the world apart. People tear the world apart not one man. So that is ridiculous. If you think you can do his job any better then maybe you should've been running for President. And you wonder why he's not visiting Fairbanks. What for? So he is coming to see his troops get over it.
Of course akblu, since he was in the military that means that as a woman it is your duty to stay in an abusive relationship no matter the cost. By getting out you are cleary unpatriotic and are probably in league with the terrorists. /sarcasm
entrigued, did you read the article? He's not coming here to see the troops, it is merely a fuel stop on his way to the Far East. Also they are not *his* troops they are the troops of the United States.
>You can't blame the President for tearing the world apart. People tear the world apart not one man.
That is like saying Hitler wasn't responsible for the horror of the holocaust. You are right though, he did have help. Cheny, Rummy, and the rest of his inner circle all played a hand in this. You don't think that the leader of the mighty USA couldn't have lead us down a better path? Why don't you go switch on your Rush Limbog and go back to sleep entrigued.