News-Miner Editorial
A good question
Better to know now what a gas line application ties us to
Published Monday, April 7, 2008
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Stumble It!Rep. Ralph Samuels has posed the most basic of questions in the ongoing discussion about the North Slope gas pipeline application submitted by Canadian pipeline builder TransCanada.
What Rep. Samuels, an Anchorage Republican, asked in a March 26 letter to Gov. Sarah Palin is, in short: “What will we all be on the hook for if the state grants an exclusive license to TransCanada?”
The question is significant. The concern is that the state of Alaska would be obligated to support all terms and conditions in TransCanada’s proposal even if those terms and conditions are determined at some point to not be in the state’s best interest.
Rep. Samuels wants to know if the state would be able to offer its own views in hearings before the National Energy Board and the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, even if those views differed from what TransCanada believes.
TransCanada’s proposal, the only one produced by Gov. Palin’s Alaska Gasline Inducement Act, has generated many questions and concerns in and out of the Legislature. The governor will, in the very near future, be deciding whether to forward the company’s application to the Legislature for consideration.
Rep. Samuels, the only legislator to vote against AGIA last year, is right in asking the pointed question about what obligation the state has under TransCanada’s application.
It’s a question to which everyone, especially legislators, should want a clear answer from Gov. Palin.
We look forward to reading the governor’s response.
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Building this big-steal OIL&gas pipeline is like getting married to Canada. [yes it's dual purpose, big lie #1]
Who are the key players in Canadian power centers? How has Canadian politics shifted in the past 10 to 20 years? Will Fairbanks become another Yellowknife? Will foreign flagged military jets be parked at Eilson? Will this big-steal pipeline become a lightning rod for troubles the political science department at UAF could never have imagined???
.....I think it's better to follow Grandma's advice and not put all our eggs in one basket.
..maybe it's better we just build a little 16" RTP-gasline to Canada when we decide to get a round-2-it. [and don't let them bullshoot ya about it costing billions, building TAPS I sat at the desk and handed out millions to grateful suppliers at cost+ no questions asked]. We should build the gasline to the border at Northway, and let them pay for the gas with whatever goodies they have to trade [diamonds and emeralds??] [I'd prefer the industrial grade diamond for better sawblades]
..then, later on if no weird troubles erupt, we can build another little 16" RTP-gasline on the northern-route to Inuvik.
And, heck, if ENI-GAZPROM can build a twin-24" RTP-gaslines across the Black Sea [2002] in 89days, then we should be able to build a subsea RTP-gasline/fiberoptic from Cordova to WA-state for much cheaper/quicker than you imagine too!!
Trying to sell all of Alaska's Gas&Oil through just one pipeline is the stupidest mistake you'll ever make.
Trying to sell all of Alaska's Gas&Oil through just one pipeline is the stupidest mistake you'll ever make.
Trying to sell all of Alaska's Gas&Oil through just one pipeline is the stupidest mistake you'll ever make.
....flash/rumble
If Samuels had read the Alaska Gasline Inducement Act before he voted against it he would know the answer to the 'question' that he now poses.
Has the News-Miner E board not read AGIA?
All of the obligations between the two parties- Alaska and whatever entity awarded the inducements- are prescribed by the law.
Samuels is no friend of Alaska.
DistantThunder,
It's really hard to take you seriously when you sign all your posts with "...flash/rumble"
Just sayin.
Joe Smith,
I'm happy to make an impression.......(;-P)
duzzit make you groan?
or duzzit make you LOL-ROFLMAO ??
Do you think I'm all wet?
..or full of [poo]?
On my resume item 39 reads: Certified Construction-Diver specializing in Metro-Sewage-System inspection and repairs...
I'll understand if you don't wanna shake my hand...
...pleased to make your acquaintance, Sir!
....splash/bumble
Simply because a politician doesn't fall into the category of a populist/anti-oil zealot does not make him or her a whore shilling for the industry.
The truth is, Rep. Samuels asks a very legitimate question and one that I believe the Administration has not fully answered. Love him or hate him, Rep. Samuels is one of the most knowledgable members of the Legislature on AGIA and how it interrelates to our current tax regime.
Circle the Wagons!!!
Again it looks like Alaskans are outnumbered by the hungry undisciplined overpopulated outsiders...
Juneau is getting their marching orders from the Okies&Texans, and whoever else can form a group, puff their chest, and claim some authority.
http://www.iogcc.state.ok.us/docs/meetin...
..it's interesting to compare calendars of scheduled meetings and agendas between many groups and associations.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?c...
Lubicon fight proposed TransCanada pipeline
Indian Country Today April 04, 2008.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?c...
North American Military Agreement Signed by the U.S. and Canada
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?c...
time for me to renew my travelling-papers too...
http://nnsl.com/northern-news-services/s...
Government is always so damn busy with meetings, conferences, studies, and all of the other hubba-hubba..
..the narcissism creeps in and they forget that members of their constituency have been freezing in the streets one by one for the past century, and not a heck of a lot has been done about it, except to toss the hot-potato back to the "blame it on Wall-Street boogie".
dither-dither fiddle-twiddle dilly-dally...
...ringy ringy ring-a-ling-ding>>>
"Hello? Mr. Revenue Commissioner? How many more billions do we have to play with next week???"
...meanwhile a giant tunneling machine erupts through the parkinglot of Hanson's Safeway in Nome ---->
http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/8541
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/conf-ic...
....I fear for Alaska's Future, I was living in Fairbanks when Texas invaded and occupied Alaska..
..I never could learn how to speak "texan".
I speak a little russian, maybe that will be more fun??
...flash/rumble
Me likes the flash/rumble sign off, too many other posts go flush/swirl......
You know, the generation that put in the oil pipeline may well be dead and gone before they get the GAS line (which ecologically speaking) should have been in place immediately or within 5 yrs of completion of the Trans-Alaska. And it should have gone just that way too.......Trans-Alaska. But do we listen? NOPE...
Future generations are going to look at the wealth bestowed upon us by the Trans-Alaska pipeline and directly blame the Alaskan people for the loss of the Polar Ice cap and the precious polar bears, walruses, and seal etc. because we were told but did not heed the common sense given to us, and the specialized knowledge of ecologists who told us: Just like surgury, the quicker it's done the quicker the earth will heal.
But we'll be dead by then so, I guess we can lolligag.
It's interesting to note this..
tonight when you hit this link, this particular news article we're commenting on now is at the top of the google charts...(;-P)
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=...
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Nanushuk & Itkillik Fire in 2007...
...may have been a Lucky Lightning Strike for Anadarko. The fire burnt 250sq.mi. from Gubik southward, racing rapidly because of methane saturated tundra during record ground warmth conditions in the foothills.
James Dalton was right on the button..
..but the military gave him a lump of coal for Christmas.
$3.3billion for a bulletline today is a cruel joke.... as if it was to be built out of "unobtainium" !!
Heck, don't be fooled kids!!!!!!
We can still build it and pass gas for the same price as 1957...
...thanks to modern technology.
$1 per gallon LPG for Yukon-Koyukuk....forever....(;-P)
It's 2million feet from pump-4 to Fairbanks.
3" dia gasline designed to ship LPG could be installed before freezeup-2008.
Total installed cost $20million.
Rate of amortization: 100% in 6months @ $1/gal LPG.
Imagine a 200psi 3"LPG-gasline filling a railcar at 100gallons per minute.
And a 2nd 3"gasline to Homer will be even cheaper,easier,quicker..
The 3rd and 4th will be really fun, and 5th and 6th will be passing gas to Juneau before the end of 2009.
FLEXIBLE POLYETHYLENE GASLINE -- LPG PIPE
NOMINAL PIPE SIZE -- 3”
Maximum Working Pressure is 255PSI
PART NUMBER -- G6065
NOMINAL O. D. -- 3.500”
WALL THICKNESS -- 0.479”
NOMINAL WEIGHT PER FT -- 2.00#
COIL LENGTH -- 500’
MAX FT PER TRUCK -- 12,000’
LIST PRICE PER 100’ -- $343.62
If we passed the fur-hat around Fairbanks we can quickly come up with enough dough to buy a machine that makes 3" LPG-gasline.
http://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?Type...
....with a machine like this we could be making our own gaslines/waterlines/sewerlines/geothermlines/mininglines for CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP !!!
Made from Alaskan NGL's, By Alaskans, For Alaskans
NORTH STAR GAS....BIG DIPPER PIPE MFG. LLC
The nice thing about little plastic-gaslines is they don't require roads to build them, and they disappear into the wilderness nicely, but they put gas where you need it...
where it's cold while panning for gold on your claim.
......now, I challenge anybody to tell me why this plastic gasline project won't work..
..try me.
***"Would it not be easier and cheaper to change the gas to electricity on the Slope and then send it south by power lines and plug it into the Railbelt Energy grid?"***
*** NOPE ***
[I happen to know the guy who erected the first powerlines on the slope longer than 10miles]
The cost of constructing a powerplant on the slope, and the cost of the transmission lines will cost much more than building a vortex-tube gas-processor and pumps, and rtp-gasline, and all the bells and whistles safety equipment, etc.
....this is not a pipe dream.
I'm not kidding.
You can take it to the bank, from a guy who has nearly frozen to death more than a few dozen times.
Is it just me or do most of DistantThunder's post seem like non-sensical ramblings. I'm really not trying to put him down, he may have a valid point, however I can't really tell.
I'm impressed by a guy who can work out the engineering and economics of a large, complex, and expensive project on the back of a napkin.
Hey HeathEdward, I dunno about you, but I've personally walked most of the distance of that particular 2million feet from Galbraith to Fairbanks..
..wanna go on a long hike with me while we talk about it?
@DistantThunder: Seriously, what does the "flash/rumble" thing mean?
You've walked 400 miles on a road. whee! I'll bet that was boring. Try something interesting, say, Arctic Village to Anaktuvuk Pass. Much more interesting....
flash/rumble....
Nope. It didn't do anything for me.
You seem to be fixated upon the price of the pipe, which is surely an integral part of the system.
But I've a question: What happens when our wonderful right-lateral strike-slip fault that bisects our state decides to move again?
Denali fault aside, what about Kaltag and Tintina? They're also pretty significant, and also have to be crossed. Let's not forget about Totschunda, which has her own issues....
Will the pipe withstand that potential lateral movement of 30 or more feet? Or are you just so fixated upon getting a pipe in the ground that you haven't thought about what happens to it once it's built?
I don't know anything about pipelines. You seem to. How would you deal with this geologic issue?
I agree with DT on the getting married to Canada point - closed valves at borders don't put revenue in your pocket.
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