Letter to the Editor
Stubborn jealousy
Published Thursday, September 18, 2008
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To the editor:
I am starting to get tired of the left in Fairbanks having their negative way with our great governor. Let me beat some sense into the debate here.
Both Palin and Obama have short resumes.
The difference is that Palin’s resume lists tough accomplishments while Obama’s does not. In fact, Obama needs to hide many things in his life (the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Tony Rezko, Bill Ayers, Chicago Democrat machine politics), while she has no holes in her history she needs to go back and cover up.
The liberal Democrats are jealous that they do not have and will never be able to have a Sarah Palin.
In the Obama versus Palin comparison, we have a choice here between phony and real. Between radical and common sense. Between liberal change and conservative reform. Between a closed past and an open past. Between “go along to get along” and fighting the system.
There is no doubt in my mind that she will help bring to Washington what she brought to Alaska. A couple years ago, Alaska looked a lot like Washington. Not anymore.
P.S. Dear liberals, keep up the attacks, they are blowing up in your face.
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"she has no holes in her history she needs to go back and cover up"
Then why are the Republicans trying to prevent any investigation? Gotta admit, it sure looks like a cover up in operation to me.
Right now I don't support either side, I think candidates all around have done some questionable things, and have some explaining to do.
What scares me even more than the skeletons that seem to be coming out of everyone's closets, is the absolute blind faith some people have in candidates.
Obama was elected to the Illinois State Senate from Chicago with many times more votes than Palin was elected as Mayor of Wasilla.
Obama was elected to the US Senate from Illinois with 3.6 million votes, while Palin recieved fewer than 50 thousand when she ran for Governor of Alaska.
Which of those were the tough ones again?
Henry, numbers mean nothing when not in context. It would be much more beneficial to know what % of the vote each candidate received.
Obama recieved over 70% of the vote when running for US Senate from a state with nearly 13 million people. Palin recieved 48% of the vote in a state with 600,000 when she ran for Governor.
I think Ed needs to "chill" on whatever it is that's making him "tired."
The pure and simple fact is that not everyone is riding high on the "Sarah" bandwagon.
She literally came out of nowhere, and Alaskans, better yet Fairbanksan's are all supposed to give the wholesome, fair-haired hockey mom a "free pass," just because she represents Alaska.
It doesn't work that way Ed.
Not everyone likes her, her politics, or her views on certain issues.
That includes a great many Alaskans.
And she brings plenty of baggage to the table that's up for scrutiny.
Deal with it.
On the other side, a Black man just may become our next President.
Has he been given a "free pass?"
Right here on this comment section,he's frequently called a "terrorist." He's often lumped into the same category as the greatest mass killer of our time, among other racist, and quite stupid rhetoric.
And around the nation,many DEMOCRATS have chosen to cross party lines or NOT VOTE AT ALL, rather than vote FOR him, because someone they "identify" with BETTER (Hillary Clinton)...didn't get the Democratic Presidential nomination.
And you've got the nerve to bring this drivel about the "negative" way Sarah Palin is being treated?
Granted, some of the stuff is over the top...but are you serious?
I'm sorry Ed...but if Obama gets no pass....Sarah should be held to the same.
And furthermore....I think you need to keep current on things.
That so-called "luster" is starting to wear off a tad.
That could be because, in the midst of a financial crisis, among other things, candidates are being forced to talk about REAL issues that are affecting this country.
McCain is off by himself (Lord, help the man) saying "economically, things aren't as bad as they seem," or something to that effect.
And that he "plans to break up the old boys network in Washington D.C." which he's been a part of for decades.
All the while, "Sarah-Sarah" is in other parts of the country, pom-poms in hand, telling people "this is the man I want in office as our President."
You can't press her on the issues for fear that: 1)--you'll be labeled "sexist," 2)she's totally clueless, and just doesn't know, or 3)Heaven forbid, you'll piss off the McCain/Palin campaign, who even got upset at ABC's Charlie Gibson for the way she was portrayed in THAT interview...
A journalist that THEY hand picked to do the interview.
I'm with "MarieBarr" on talk of "blind faith."
It resides with the Republican's locally as well.
"Four more years of the previous eight!"
Ed wants us all to come together, sing "Kumbya," and have faith in just that..
Just because the Vice-Presidential running mate is a "homegirl."
Once again Ed....doesn't work like that.
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The insults hurled against Governor Palin are legal free speech. Unlike the N word, insults against women are considered free game. Democrats have control of most media. Can anyone forget the insult humor used on Saturday Night Live during the investigation of President Clinton? Women who dared to accuse the President were insulted in the extreme. Remember John Goodman, attacks on those women? Can we expect this same editorial insult comments in the new season and will women of the nation just allow it to happen?
Obama won his Senate seat AFTER his opponent was involved in scandals.In just two years he has become the number two recipient of money from Freddy Mac and Fannie Mae. Both of whom we are now bailing out. And then he blames Bush and McCain for the mortgage meltdown. Compare the candidates appearances on The View and then tell me who the media is tough on!
Sarah's running around waving pom-poms? I never saw that on the news.
oldskool - McCain is the only candidate who understands the financial situation we are in. There are economic indicators that have led to this and it's a systemic problem rather than one created by any one person or sector. Sometimes it's hard to see the forest through the trees...this is one of those cases. While I don't agree with some of the things McCain says...he's right on in with this topic.
Did everyone forget, Obama is running for President and Palin for Vice President. As far as I know, McCain still has a pulse. The primary job of the Vice President is to take the president's pulse each morning. Other than President of the Senate, the Vice President has no duties in the job, other than those assigned by the President.
But then again, I guess the Democrats are to busy watching Hollywood movies to understand the way government works. Hard to do that when you think Barbra Streisand has political insight.
The View??? I don't think you can claim them to be impartial, but they also didn't ask McCain any unfair questions. He just gave answers that made him look like an ass. You might as well compare Obama on the View to Palin on Hannity. As for this letter, nice hyperbole.
I, too, am dismayed by the DNM's continued bias against Palin. You should see the Mat-Su Valley's paper--they report on the bad stuff, but also on good things. Other papers around the country are much nicer. Go to this site to see headlines from around the world:
http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/...
The DNM seems to try hard to only portray her in a bad light. For instance, last week when they ran the story about the museum director in Hawaii who was fired by Palin in Wasilla, the continuation was titled, "Palin: Obscene Phone Calls". That's not what the article was about.
Why couldn't the DNM choose to rally behind Sarah? If they wanted to, they could only run 'feel-good' stories. Isn't Fairbanks a traditionally Republican community? Wouldn't their primary readership be Republicans? It's a privately owned paper, they can write what they think sells, but I just can't help but wonder why they chose this course.
The Dermot Cole column was the real shocker--obviously it hit a sore spot since you can't even post comments there anymore. It blew me away to see the guy who writes about rubber-ducky races and raising money for dying people to start slamming Sarah day after day. Talk about a huge loss of credibility to many readers.
A democrat just won an election ......in Alaska.
So I would think it's "safe" to say Alaska is NOT "all Republican"
Being "Republican" or "Democrat" doesn't make you righteous, They're only politicians not gods.
(some of you people seem to think of Princess Palin as such, she is NOT the "Virgin Mary")
McCain knows best how to fix our current economic mess? Are you kidding me? He said on Monday, after the weekend crash, that "the fundamentals of our economy are strong." He said himself a few months ago that he is not strong on economics, foreign policy is his forte. He was obviously telling the truth about that. If you take time to do the research, you will find that Obama saw this coming as much as a year ago. he offered two bills in the Senate to attempt to deal with it. Neither one passed. I'm not saying either one would have made a difference. I don't know. But at least he made an effort. If you want to see how McCain handles economic crisis, google the Keating five S&L debacle. That should educate you.
Poor liberal Dem's, falling all over themselves, all because (as they say) some unknown little mayor has arrived on the scene and did'nt steal the show from Dem VP elect Biden, She stole the show from the Dem President elect Obama. They (the dems) could have possibly had it in the bag if Hillary was offered the VP running position. Many more bases would have been covered, and it would have been a huge historical moment credited to the Dems,
With about 80% of the newspaper media selling the Obama & Biden ticket, I'm laughing my ass off with the Dems trying to put their train back on the track.
If your trash can has been messed with, especially those that live in the valley, its probably not bears, its the liberal media....
And many of the displeased Dem's will be voting for Bill Cosby, which in all reality, is better than voting for BO.
I must admit, sometimes I forget Obama is not running for VP against Sarah.
When she is elected that McCain guy will make a great President of the Senate....
I seen Hilary is avoiding Palin at the UN , but Bill is getting dressed up and is going over to make a play on Sarah.
I'm glad to see Obama is pulling ahead again in the polls.
I have to roll my eyes every time I see someone bagging on the DNM for not running positive stories about Palin. Just because she is from Alaska and they are an Alaskan newspaper they are supposed to run happy, puff pieces talking about how great she is? Get real. If there is nothing positive in the news there is a reason. Nothing that I have ever read about her that has been in a negative light has ever been proven wrong.
OldsKoolNook42-while I agree that Sarah Palin should not get a free pass, she's been scrutinized pretty tightly, with the demis even sending an entire team of "fact finders" to Alaska searching for dirt. Has Hussein Obama's personal email account been hacked, and its contents published on the Internet? That, my friend, is going too far, across the line.
Hussein himself has come out and said the line has been crossed in regards to personal attacks on Palin's family.
Do you realize Obama has supported legislation that would add a federal tax to your heating fuel bill? Did you send back your $1200 dollars back to your governor? Or did you agree to continue and pay the $.09 fuel tax your governor cut?
You bring up the economic crisis, do you realize one of Obama's top two FINANCIAL advisors is the former head of Fanny Mae, and made upwards of 90 million dollars off hardworking Americans duped into loans that were "too good to be true."
I AM ready for a black man to be president, I AM ready for a woman to be vice president, I AM ready for a black woman to be president. I'm just NOT ready for Barrack Hussein Obama to be president, but it's in the issues, not his race or gender.
One thing you can be certain on: Alaska's electoral votes will go to the McCain/Palin ticket. Look at the primary numbers, republican voters seem to outnumber democrats about 107, 000 75,000 in Alaska. I don't think the liberals can muster up the votes.
Haha, nice! Now we're *just* referring to him as Hussein. But no, I'm sure that's not meant to be negative in any way.
Henry says: "Obama was elected to the US Senate from Illinois with 3.6 million votes, while Palin recieved fewer than 50 thousand when she ran for Governor of Alaska."
The day Sarah Palin gets 3.6 million votes in Alaska will be the same day that Diebold takes over the certification of our elections.
sourdoughdiablo, you can say it is not about race but, reading your post reflects that for you, it is more about race and less about the issues that you are willing to admit.
smap99712... Have you forgotten...Sarah won her election because she ran against old Frank Murkowski... the most despised governor in Alaskan history!!
sourdoughdiablo: Actually, Obama's (or should I say, Hussein's) email has been hacked. You can sneak a peek at his inbox here:
http://www.theonion.com/content/news_in_...
i wonder why my comment was removed. get off the delete button, editor
Lets look at the positive side of this.... no matter who wins election will become the first ever in history!
With McCain ahead in the polls is hard for me to say that Palin's presence on his campaign hasn't affected the american people. It's good to see that some of us are willing to accept that a woman can do any job, just as good as a man can do it... if not better.
Henry ~ percentages of when the initial vote took place is not what should count. Palin wasn't as well known as she is now to Alaskan's. So, saying that she only received 48% of the votes isn't really much of a insult when now she has an 80% approval rating, which means that as she served this state she made SMART decisions and HELPED out state! That is a huge accomplishment, man or woman, black or white. Now, saying that Obama had 78% of the votes when he was voted in, but his approval rating was dropping..... should point out that he made DUMB decisions and became helped only himself.
It is ridiculous to compare palin and Obama's resumes (besides the fact that they are not running against each other), Try looking back beyond the last few years...How about their education, No comparison, One who actively engaged in academics teaching law vs. a hockey mom with a mere undergraduate degree in journalism with ONLY a minor in political science. Palin is clearly not qualified.
In more recent history Palin's accomplishments getting the amount of earmarks that she has as a mayor is quite impressive, sending a lobbyist to Washington for earmarks is pretty progressive for a young mayor, however it is not a quality that she would even like to admit. Obama, on the otherhand has a history of responsibility as a senator.
As far as hiding things...It is pretty clear by the lack of any unscripted statements by Palin since she became McCain's running mate that the McCain campaign doesn't really want the country to have an opportunity to get to know her. My suspicion is that it is because she is grossly under qualified.
As far as "phony vs. real"...McCain, who by the way is Obama's real opponent, has run a verifiably false campaign. (I suggest that people look into this, there is a LOT of proof of his continuing lies), McCain’s claims of the successes in Iraq and that we are close to victory are absurd (He's even got Palin making those claims too).
It is also becoming more and more clear that Palin's claims about her stance on the bridge to nowhere, earmarks, porkbarel spending, fighting for ethics reform... are ALL false. And, as far as stuff to cover up, why hasn't she invited a full and open investigation into the so-called troopergate? Why won't she participate in any candid interviews? Why has she not made herself available to the public? Why does she not actively participate in town hall meetings (especially when she bills herself as a small town mayor)?
The McCain and Palin ticket is a ticket of deceit and delusion. I don't believe that either of them are even remotely qualified to run the country. Obama and Biden on the otherhand, make an awesome pair, I feel confident that they have the knowledge, education, experience, and ability to manage our country through these difficult times.
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These days there are major issues affecting our country; the economy, the energy crisis, war. I just saw an interview from last year with McCain who admitted that he really didn't understand the economy, not that that interfered with what he said today about how he would fix it. "Drill baby, drill" provides NO solutions beyond entrenching our politicians in politics, while our fuel bills continue rise, our environment degrades, and we continue to rely on outdated technology. And, as far as war goes, McCain is a War-monger he has no inclination to get out of Iraq and would likely have us invading Iran if he ever had the chance.(they will be your children that they will be sending over there). I personally want a president that will engage in diplomacy, Such as Barrack Obama.
And will somebody help me with that joke about the difference between a pig with lipstick and Sarah Palin and one of them being a hockey mom?
Hmmmm, no holes? Prepared?
We're so used to republicans who lie, manipulate, appoint unqualified cronies to important jobs, abuse their power, use Orwellian tactics to cover their tracks, stall and call off important investigations into wrong-doing, actually are quilty of what they accuse democrats of, and in general prove their incompetence at the helm of our government that SARAH PALIN just fits right in, doesn't she!?
This stuff about being a hockey mom -- In my mind hockey playing youth conjures up a lot of violence, and drug and alcohol abuse among its players. Hockey mom is NOTHING to brag about. Too bad people on a national level don't know this.
Oh I got it....
What’s the difference between a pig with lipstick and Sarah Palin?
-One of them is a hockey mom.
Meanwhile, in the VP slot over on the other side, the Democrats are putting hair-plugs on a jackass. That's not exactly a pretty sight either.
jroosterdude,
If you and your friends are going to see increased taxes, than you make a lot more than I do and can probably afford it. I am part of the 80% of the country who are struggling and will see reduced taxes under the Obama Biden ticket.
I have a good one! No, really! Palin had the brilliant idea to put the United States' checkbook online, bring much needed transparency to government spending. She said that's the first thing she would do once VP.
Only one minor problem with that plan.
IT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE, BY BARACK OBAMA, LOLOLOLOL!!!
Check USASpending.gov created by Obama and Coburn in a bi-partisan effort. Just one more example in an ever growing list that Palin just has no clue.
HA! A person with a law degree and years of being in the real world versus a redneck from the valley who barely finished college leading the "greatest nation in the world" ARE YOU INSANE? ARE YOU? I would not let her change my tire let alone run my country. She is an embarrassment to McCain!! I don't mind him so much as far as republicans go. He seems like an okay guy. But she is an ATV-ride'n momma from the meth capitol of the state! I have read her record closely. She took wasilla, for what it is, from a surplus budget to a deficit in no time at all. Her priority was on sports parks and not on the people. She lies with every sentence she has been speaking. Are both Obama and Palin inexperienced compared to hillary...yes. But Obama is an educated, articulate person who has travelled and contributed to this country. Palin is 2 mistakes away from working a strip club and she got elected ONLY because she lives in a republican state that was kicking the last republican idiot out the door. And....why do people talk about how "hot" she is?? Are these lonely men? She is one of the least attractive women I have seen. Get out much guys? She is an uneducated, trashy liar and that is the nicest way to put it. This is time to think about our place in the world and not side with your party! She is a mistake! Statistically, McCain will die in office, especially if elected two terms. That means, this shrill voiced trailer trash woman would be leading our country. COME ON! Wake up!
Oh, shut your PI hole..
Go Sarah!
Ha...Pi hole. Wow...an intelligent palin supporter. There is one! Ding
Obama has a resume that is short and has no tough accomplishments???? Geez Ed, it is obvious you haven't looked for yourself at his record from some unbiased source. Take a look, see for yourself. President of Harvard Law Review is extremely tough to become. Check out what he did as a community organizer. Not exactly easy. Palin's resume isn't bad for a 1st term governor. I was particularly pleased that she took on and won against the oil industry that had controlled the state government for so long. However her penchant for secrecy when she promised open government does trouble me, a lot.
fuelmanak - "Democrats have control of most media." Another of the big lies that are common on talk radio. Check out Clear Channel Communications. They control more radio stations than anyone else and are quite right wing. Continue searching and you find that the conservatives control far more media than the liberals. Based on what passes for talk radio these days it doesn't seem that they bother to select for the truth, mostly for what maximizes their ad revenue.
AKpatriot,
Or the FCC for that matter. The FCC Chairman, Kevin Martin, is a republican appointed by George Bush himself.
YO dirtlover,
Lets get this straight.
80% of the country is struggling. Hmmmmm!! So that means that 20% are the only ones paying taxes. So lets tax the 20% even more!!!
YUP, sign me up! ...I'll have some of that Kool-Aid!! By the way do you cure cancer also?
EARTH to dirtlover! Joe Biden just stated the obvious. We ALL have to pay more taxes. There goes your expected tax reduction!!
BACK to the issue ...a little unknown lady (Sarah) from the hinterlands (Alaska) who just happens to be our Governor has knocked the Democratic candidate for President off his pedestal.
QUESTION/S?
1. Why did Americans by the MILLIONS suddenly take a liking to Sarah?
2. Did the Liberal press cause this? NOT!!!
3. Because she has actual experience as a Mayor and a Governor?
4. Because she has actual accomplishments as a Mayor and a Governor?
5. Because she challenged and took on her own Political Party?
6, Because she has real experience in energy issues?
7. Because she has actually managed a real (City/State) Budget?
8. Because she isn't an experienced ACTIVIST?
9. Because she has a real track record?
10. Because she clings to her Guns and Bible?
11. Because she chooses life over death?
12. Because she is just like the rest of THEM/US/WE?
10. Because she isn't a Senator whose only experience is CAMPAIGNING
All of the above!!
Most of us are missing the REAL CULPRITS. CONGRESS, CONGRESS, CONGRESS. They all need to go; DEM. REP. IND. All of them need to be flushed out and gone. Let us start over with a whole new crew.
And THAT is why I support the likes of a SARAH PALIN. Too bad that she is not at the top of the ticket. I believe that Americans are craving someone who is not from inside the Beltway and Sarah Palin is that hope, she is the real CHANGE.
And THAT in truth is what scares the hell out of the elite media, radical college professors, the Teachers Unions, the many the closet Marxists/Socialists, the well entrenched REP & DEM establishment and the lobbyists and political action committees alike!!
Truth is ...they are all afraid of REAL CHANGE!!
Amen Reginald!
Wow, I think I need some of your kool-aid reginald, You might be missing the real culprits but also the point.
Palin is real change? Where are you looking?
Under Palin (a Republican) taxes went UP!!!
Experience with energy issues? How much experience does she have if she insists that AK produces 20% of all American energy?!?
The answer to how much experience she has in foreign affairs (remember 6.5 billion people, 350 million Americans) was: "Did you know you can actually see Russia from Alaska?"
Please, give us all a break and stop with the Palin worship already. Yeah we all want to see some Penthouse shots of her, sure, but once the novelty quickly wears off a hollow shell of incompetence remains.
Yes, we need new people in Washington, we need a multi-party system, we need term limits in Congress, but Palin is actually worse than Bush (didn't think that would be possible). At least Bush knew what he was talking about, whether or not one agrees with his policies. Palin doesn't know anything about anything.
Well said Reggie.
PeanutUser
Your vulgar comment about Penthouse shots are so typical of one can't provide a proper, logical or dignified response.
So here is your deserved response ...go back to your peanuts and stay there till next spring!!
By the way when you begin someday to study American History you will find that our country started out with no PARTY system. By the Time of George Washingtons 2nd Inaugeration to the Presidency his worst fear came into being "The Political Party System."
But if you don't know who George Washington is ...well, that's the guy on your One Dollar Bill!!
Since when does 10 come after 13?
1. Why did Americans by the MILLIONS suddenly take a liking to Sarah?
-She's someone new, she's nice to look at. However, the polls are now reflecting that America's love affair with her is coming to an end. Obama is now posting a two point lead over McCain in the poll of polls with +4 swing points in the last week alone.
2. Did the Liberal press cause this?
- The press is actually quite the oppposite. See a few posts above. I'm not really sure what this has to do with anything to begin with.
3. Because she has actual experience as a Mayor and a Governor?
-Running a very small town in a state with a very small population. I and most everyone else would much rather prefer someone with an extensive higher education who has been responsible to millions in the federal governemnt over a small town mayor/governor.
4. Because she has actual accomplishments as a Mayor and a Governor?
- Any politician could list any number of "accomplishments" why is this special to her?
5. Because she challenged and took on her own Political Party?
-So what? She's now running under someone who portrays himself as a maverick while agreeing with Bush on the issues 90% of the time.
"The fact is that I have agreed with President Bush far more than I have disagreed. And on the transcendent issues, the most important issues of our day, I've been totally in agreement and support of President Bush. --"Meet the Press" interview, June 19, 2005
6, Because she has real experience in energy issues?
- I'll give you this one.
7. Because she has actually managed a real (City/State) Budget?
- I'm sure managing a small city budget in a low population state is much harder than being a senator representing millions.
8. Because she isn't an experienced ACTIVIST?
- Why is that a bad thing?
9. Because she has a real track record?
- Seems like a fluffer question, so does every other politician.
10. Because she clings to her Guns and Bible?
- I'm not sure why you put this in here. Some people still believe seperation of chirch and state is important.
11. Because she chooses life over death?
- By forcing women to give birth to children that were the prodcut of rape and incest?
12. Because she is just like the rest of THEM/US/WE?
- She is as similar to us as any other wealthy politician.
13. Because she isn't a Senator whose only experience is CAMPAIGNING
- Harvard Law School, Community work, several years in the senate... Face it this is more applicable to Palin than Obama. Why did Palin only give the same speech over and over? Perhaps because her handlers wouldn't allow her to say anything else? Look what happened with the Gibson interview.
"By the way when you begin someday to study American History you will find that our country started out with no PARTY system. By the Time of George Washingtons 2nd Inaugeration to the Presidency his worst fear came into being "The Political Party System.""
Thanks for the History lesson!
I fail to see how that has any relation to today's issues. What we are dealing with today is a 2-party system that is not capable to truly address the needs of the nation because they spend 99% of their time trying to make the other side miserable.
There are a number of western democracies (and yes, I know we are not a democracy but a republic) out there that successfully run on a multi-party system. A no-party system was alright when the scope was small enough that you would elect actual people for their ideas. At 350 million citizens that's not practical anymore and you do need to face the reality that you elect by proxy.
Term limits should be obvious. Once someone has been in DC for 35 years, they are too far removed from reality to make good choices on behalf of the people who sent that person to DC, except that the voters keep the inept in office because of the value "seniority" creates.
As far as the guy on a one-dollar-bill goes, sorry man, the last time I saw a paper buck was like in the 90's.
Valkyrie,
Oops! My fingers were flying so fast I hit 3 instead of 2. Kind of like why you misspelled church (chirch). Ditto!!
Yes! I like Maverick.
Yes! Accomplishment/s vs. Activist.
Yes! Guns and Bible. I didn't say anythng about "Church and State". That is what you read into it.
By the way I didn't say anything about "...forcing women to give birth to children that were the prodcut of rape and incest?" YOU DID!
The good citizens of Senator Obamas State did not elect him to Camapaign for higher office ...but that is in fact all that he's done. How many times did he vote "NOT PRESENT!" Rhetorical.
But honestly thank you for your rebuttal. That was civilized and decent! And that is what I want for all of us and our country!
"By the way I didn't say anything about "...forcing women to give birth to children that were the prodcut of rape and incest?" YOU DID!"
Actually, that is Sarah Palin's position. She strictly opposes abortion in any and all cases. That's something that's just not reasonable, never even mind practical.
Oops, yeah.
"Yes! Guns and Bible. I didn't say anythng about "Church and State". That is what you read into it."
But how could it not be about seperataion of church and state? You have a fairly churchy politician; Surely religion will be a part of it.
"By the way I didn't say anything about "...forcing women to give birth to children that were the prodcut of rape and incest?" YOU DID!"
I assumed you were talking about abortion. I could be wrong. Sarah is 100% against abortion even in cases of rape and or incest. That's what I meant.
"The good citizens of Senator Obamas State did not elect him to Camapaign for higher office ...but that is in fact all that he's done. How many times did he vote "NOT PRESENT!" Rhetorical."
The same could be said for Palin though. I don't think the citizens of Alaska voted for her for governor thinking she be gone all this time campaigning.
Here is a link that provides a list of bills Obama has sponsored while in the senate:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bil...
Valkyrie~
3. Because she has actual experience as a Mayor and a Governor?
-Running a very small town in a state with a very small population. I and most everyone else would much rather prefer someone with an extensive higher education who has been responsible to millions in the federal governemnt over a small town mayor/governor.
It's not the population that counts. The point of a governor is to take on STATE wide problems... not individual town/people problems. Running a STATE that has the biggest oil fields, greatest pipelines, and a majority of the US fishing industry is a huge task. She controled STATE wide spending, including the billions upon billions the oil industry brings in. So.... tell me what oil industry, fish hatchery, natural gas field, etc. Barrack Obama has over scene. Better yet, tell me when he has deployed ANY (and I say ANY) military force to ANY (again I say ANY) natural distaster, war, defense for this country?!
4. Because she has actual accomplishments as a Mayor and a Governor?
- Any politician could list any number of "accomplishments" why is this special to her?
And you're Mayor / Governor / Counsel Member / President of the freaking PTA.... where?! She was ELECTED!
7. Because she has actually managed a real (City/State) Budget?
- I'm sure managing a small city budget in a low population state is much harder than being a senator representing millions.
Representing Millions?! Are you kidding me?! Is that like saying that Nicole Kidman knows how to control to books for Chanel No. 5 perfume because she represent them!? Ridiculous statement!
10. Because she clings to her Guns and Bible?
- I'm not sure why you put this in here. Some people still believe seperation of chirch and state is important.
Some people also believe in proper education for their children. Apparently your parents had higher priorities. It's spelled C.H.U.R.C.H
Palin is not 100% against abortion, she is on record stating except in cases where the mother's life is at risk.
She is pro-life when it comes to the unborn and it is an admirable stand, backed by her own personal example.
In regard to Church and state, ... um, I do belive it was Sen. Obama who stated he would implement an advisory level position for religous relations in his office administration. Is that separation as defined here in this post?
Valkyrie, why even post the website about Obama's bills. Numerous links with the same info have been posted here in the past and the same people keep arguing that same tired, factually inaccurate points about his record in the Senate. The info is out there but, the people that don't like Obama for whatever reason will not do the research or even read what you have presented them. They will only continue to blindly promote two people (McCain/Palin) who have no concept of what it takes to better our position in the world, help the economy, capture bin Laden, etc.
twingirl, was it really necessary to make that into four different posts?
Please explain how population doesn't matter. If you can't understand how being responsible to 650,000 people might be different than being in charge of 13 million this is a pointless debate.
It's also interesting that you bring up Sara's military experience. Please show me one link that shows that Sarah has ordered the ANG to do anything. Good luck with that.
In response to your second post, I'm not a politician?
Can anyone translate what she was trying to say in her third post?
So you're going to talk about education?
"Nicole Kidman knows how to control to books for Chanel No. 5 perfume because she represent them!? Ridiculous statement!"
"...Barrack Obama has over scene."
Why don't you leave the personal attacks out of this?
Way to go CMUNRO.... you can now officially be labeled as a tyical Democrat. Giving up when things get to hard. Even if Valkyrie labels herself as a Democrat.... she sticks up for her beleifs and that's the most Republican thing she can do!
Palin is phony
I don't need to show you a link to ANYTHING. She has deployed the ANG to numerous wildfires within this state. You can find the link for yourself!
You're not a politician, that's right! The point is, to say that being ELECTED an office, no matter what it is, is an accomplishment. I suppose you could say it's more of an accomplishment than to SELF PROCLAIM yourself as a community organizer.
Personal attacks? A personal attack would be calling you a bad name.... I just pointed out your ridiculous statements... if that's a "personal attack" than you're a hypocrit (that's personal).
I'll be more than happy to explain myself in my 3rd post since it's too confusing for you to comprehend. The fact that you say that because Barrack Obama "represents" a state means he knows how to handle their accounting / budget is absolutely absurd. I represent a lot of things; the company I work for, the state I live in, the brand of car I drive, the brand of clothes I wear... and I promise you, I couldn't balance a budget or accounting if I was asked to. ( Nicole Kidman is the spokeswoman for Channel No. 5, get it now?)
"I don't need to show you a link to ANYTHING. She has deployed the ANG to numerous wildfires within this state. You can find the link for yourself!"
You can't show a link, because she's never done it. The burden of proof is on you to prove your point. Don't make a claim if you can't back it up.
"You're not a politician, that's right! The point is, to say that being ELECTED an office, no matter what it is, is an accomplishment. I suppose you could say it's more of an accomplishment than to SELF PROCLAIM yourself as a community organizer."
What's the point of saying this? So, Palin's being elected as governor is relevant but Obama's being elected to Senate isn't?
"Personal attacks? A personal attack would be calling you a bad name.... I just pointed out your ridiculous statements... if that's a "personal attack" than you're a hypocrit (that's personal)."
Or a personal attack could be insulting my parents for not not giving me a, as you see it, good edcuation.
I challenge anyone to comprehend what she was trying originally trying to say. It's also a pretty flimsy argument regardless. I don't see the correlation between representing different things and not knowing anything about finance.
"I'll be more than happy to explain myself in my 3rd post since it's too confusing for you to comprehend."
That's another personal attack.
twingirl, First off I am not a Democrat. I fall somewhere in the middle when it comes to the political spectrum. I am supporting Obama this election, but the last two elections I voted for Bush because I thought (and still think that) that he was the better choice over the Democratic candidate. I don't vote for party, I vote for whomever I feel will be the bettter choice for what we as a country have coming us. The point is that I haven't heard a single rational argument about an actual political issue from the anti Obama camp that can stand up to a logical counter-argument. And yet, they keep getting repeated again and again. It is ridiculous. And I am not giving up or suggesting to Valkyrie to stop the discussion. I merely asked, why waste the time looking up a link when the people that it would benefit most are to muleheaded to even peruse the information presented to them.
Palin has never ordered the ANG to do anything, that's has been well established by pretty much everyone except the most ignorant. Any in-state deployments have been ordered and executed by the actual commander of the ANG, General Campbell.
However, if you feel so inclined, go ahead and produce a single order she has issued to the ANG, just one, even one that says something like "light's out at 10" would be wonderful proof of her "military experience".
http://www.scrippsnews.com/node/36021
I think we've all forgotten that we're voting for McCain as president. So to compare Palin to Obama is just ridiculous. We should be comparing Palin to Biden, which mind, you haven't seen anything slanderous about him. Unless McCain dies or resigns for health reasons, Palin will still just be the Vice President. Kudos to her, but her name is not the box you'll check come election day.
CMUNRO~ then I commend you for not labeling yourself down to a certain political party! My mistake on labeling you before I knew your situation.
twingirl, it helps when you link to articles which actually support your argument. The article you linked to talks about how Palin DID NOT issue a single order to the ANG.
Sorry, here's a link that your requested Valkyrie
http://www.ngb.army.mil/news/archives/20...
Peanutuser, yeah I had a good laugh at that.
twingirl, I did a quick word search in your second article and nowhere did it say anything about Palin, or governor.
In fact it was mostly about the New York National Guard.
twingirl, sure, no one denies that the ANG responsed to natural disasters, the question is who ordered that deployment, and the answer to that question is: General Campbell did, not Sarah Palin.
However, that's neither here nor there, no one in their right mind would seriously suggest that sending soldiers to "battle" flames is the same as sending soldiers to war with another nation, as far as "command experience" goes.
Yes, Obama doesn't have military command experience either, but he doesn't run around lying about it.
Yup, the first link proved your point more than mind :P DAMN!
twingirl, at least you admit those sort of things. :) That's worth something in my book.
Polls are changing. I wouldn't believe a single poll because every major network skewers them to favor their candidate hoping the bandwagon jumpers will jump on.
I'm not sure I have ever actually seen her say that she personally commanded the ANG to do anything ( but then again I could be wrong)... although she has says that she is commander of the AANG. Which is a lie.... to some it may be misleading, but you can't condemn her for that.... she's no different than Obama, Biden, or McCain.
twingirl, as the Governor of Alaska she is the Commander in Chief of the Alaska National Guard. All orders published for the guard are signed by order of the Governor.
Methinks the original author is being sardonic or having a fitful case of irony.
If we are talking pols one might want to take a look at the delegate count. Of the states in play, give Palin Florida, Virginia, and Missouri and she only needs two or three of the remaining 11 states to win.
Actually roadtrip, the latest polls published today have Obama taking Florida and Virginia. Missouri still belongs to McCain/Palin, but Obama is now leading in Ohio. The Gallup poll, updated today, showed a big switch from this time last week: Obama/Biden now leads McCain/Palin by 4% nationally.
Unfortunately, twingirl, Palin cannot do the job. So, people will remember after she's been a bungling idiot for 4 years if McCain/Palin win, that a woman CAN'T do the job.
As for you, tired Ed, I got the following from an e-mail - I wish I had written it. I certainly had thought it:
If your name is Barack, you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
If you name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.
If you graduate from Columbia University and Harvard law School, you are unstable.
If you attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.
If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become
the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter
registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years
as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator
representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman
of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4
years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million
people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.
If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city
council and 6 years as the mayor of a town of around 6,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive.
Comparing Barack Obama to Sarah Palin is ridiculous.
Virginia has gone to the Republicans in 10 of the last 10 elections, and Florida in 8 of the last 10. I stand by my prediction.
jroosterdude,
Weren’t you the one that claimed that Obama was going to raise your taxes? (he wont)
As far as his senate record, you should check it out, you can start here at obama.senate.gov
I think that you should check your sources, Obama has not been running for president since before he was a senator, that is ridiculous.
Why do you call me blind and foolish, you’re the one using all capital letters. It is clear that you are blind to his qualifications for the Whitehouse.
And as far as more taxes, less jobs, and less benefits; I’m not sure what your talking about. Obama will not raise taxes for the vast majority of Americans. The past 8 years have resulted in an inflated unemployment rate (McCain will only bring more of the same). And less benefits???
Sorry it took so long to respond, I am not retired. And seriously, lay off the capitals.
I read an economist's analysis by an of the two candidate's tax proposals recently. (I wish I'd kept the URL!) As a family that fits in the 40-60K bracket we will be getting a $1,100 tax cut if Obama is elected, and a $300 tax cut if McCain is elected. People who earn less would be getting a larger tax cut from Obama and a smaller one from McCain, and people making more get less from Obama and more from McCain. You need to make more than $200,000 not to get a tax break from Obama. Just think how much more the economy would be stimulated with $1,100 per family being spent rather than $300! Giving money to corporations does not make jobs. No manager in their right mind will hire new people without there being an increase in the demand for their goods/services. Giving the money to people rather than corporations supplies the demand as well as the money.
Biden's comment was that people making more than $200,000 should pitch in and help for a change rather than fleecing the rest of us as usual.
i am going to say what i said earlier before our kind online editor deleted my comment: this letter looks as though it was written by a 9th grader; there are a ton of outlandish statements with zero facts and one semi-example. sorry, ed, but i'm still not convinced. saying it loud doesn't make it true.
I apologize for being a bit off topic. I took personal offense from two earlier comments and I felt compelled to respond.
akmimi: Oh no you didn't!! How dare you label youth hockey players as violent, drug and alcohol abusers!?! How many youth hockey players do you know personally that live the life you’ve pictured for them? I am a hockey mom and that is a label I wear proudly. I knew my 13 year old hockey player was on the right path when he turned to me last year and said, "Mom, I just don't understand why kids smoke dope and drink--I wouldn't be able to play hockey that way." I know hundreds of youth hockey players with that same attitude. It must be a very scary place "in your mind" if this is how you picture our youth.
dirtlover: Hmmm....you're one to talk. In one of your responses to Reginald you accuse him of "missing the real culprits but also the point." What did your earlier back-handed comment regarding hockey moms have to do with "the real culprits" and "the point." Double standards I guess...or were you just trashing all hockey moms because you were hoping to hurt Sarah Palin's chances of becoming VP?? Yeah, that's going to do it. (sarcasm)
There are millions of parents out there who support their student athletes. Tell me that having my son play hockey and keeping him involved to keep him off the streets isn't the right thing to do. Then I'll show you someone who hasn't a clue. Oh, right, that would be the both of you. It must be such a good feeling for you both to cast your condemnation on a group of supportive and devoted parents for the sake of your candidate. Good job! (more sarcasm)
I'm not going to bother stating my political views in this forum. The correct place to do that would be at the polls in November.
Label me Proud_hockey_mom
E. Canoy
The joke wasn't What's the difference between a pig with lipstick and a hocky mom, lighten up.
"McCain will bring more of the same"
"Obama stands for change"
Do the people that continue to say these things have a crystal ball or something? If so, Id like to look in it.
With an 80% plus approval rating as Governor of Alaska, than either a lot of folks on this board have never been to Alaska, or don't live in AK. If you live in AK than it appears that the 20% spend much of their time hanging out here.
CPW
I suspect that the 80% approval has dropped by a lot since more information has come out about Sarah Palin, her positions and her past actions.
My previous approval has changed to disapproval.
akjak - you're a fool. A brilliant community organizer serving with radicals. Let's not forget Mr. Ayers.
"sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees" - He sponsored them meaning he agreed with them. Nothing more. What happened when he was working with a non-partisan group for the immigration bill? Oh that's right, he pulled out at the last second.
Amazing how you can put one on a pedistal and simplify/downgrade the other just because you are another one of the radicals. Again, yes - I know who you are. Go back to your desk and keep reading your radical rags!
Putting Obama with Biden and Pelosi (and others) is insane. Oh, I’m sorry – Pelosi is trying to save the world. Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, and Joe Biden all said on national TV that Obama wasn’t ready and wasn’t the right choice, but you know more than the ones on the hill. You know more than the ones who actually work with him. I’m sorry Obama was so clueless that he couldn’t put Hillary Clinton on his ticket. I believe this wouldn’t even be a close race it he had. BUT that was another lame choice he made. Brilliant? I don’t think so, unless you are using it to be sarcastic.
Good morning, I think I will run for President. I vote "Present". There, I am just like one of the candidates. I think that it is funny that all of this ruckus is about a VP nominee. For her to have this much impact on people means she must scare the hell out of the libs. Look at all of the name calling from the libs. Why is the libs so worried about her??? All of this ruckus they and you are making is about a VP nominee. Talk about an inferiority complex. Let's actually talk about the positive effect either candidate has and vote the lesser of two evils. It is amazing how petty this has become.
What a beautiful day! A great sunrise, and then I had to reflect on all of this tension between the palin group and the educated group. Bottom line is that McCain and Palin have no chance of winning. Let's just stop arguing, sit back and let it play out.
We live in a state overrun with uneducated people and that is because we are so remote and have few options for people to learn from. I live here because I love the land and nature. Sure they want to ruin it all and turn it into the lower 48, but there are enough of us who care about Alaska to slow them down...so we stay.
If you have come to the conclusion, as many have, that republicans for the most part (not all!!) tend to be represented by out of touch old white men….(of course now we have to add uneducated women) then just relax. And I mean that in the most literal sense! They have lost the world's respect and more than half of this country as well. They will lose in November and then we have to work with these people to clean up the 8 year kegger that the "Special Needs President" just finished.
Yes, Palin is, for lack of a better term, white trash and yes it is embarrassing our state...but it also sealed the lid on McCain's chances. All I am hearing are republican leaders distancing themselves from him now and his decision to pick Palin. My oldest friend from back home is one of those party-line republicans and he still likes Bush for god’s sake! Even he has said he will not vote for McCain because of her. He is not voting for Obama, but he says he just won’t vote. HA! I love him, but I think he has a brain tumor because he used to be a caring, cool liberal and now he is a republican. Go figure!
I am backing away from wasting my time with these people. We are way more that 20% and I am glad we are here to slow down the rape of Alaska being committed by republicans. So, no more comments from me. Idiots be happy. The rest of us, laugh these people off. We know we already won. So let’s focus on how we can educate these people and get them to be productive and work FOR our future and not against it once Obama takes office.
See you at the polls. And for Sarah...you should have turned it down! He had a chance before you ruined it!!! Maybe you can get yourself a double-wide after you get voted out next election. Either way…thanks for making Alaska the brunt of so many jokes!!!
Be well my educated friends. So sorry republicans!
My son is "special needs" and would make a better president than lord Obama. Given your attitude, that education you have planned for the rest of us will no doubt require lengthy stays in reeducation camps. Thank you for motivating me to vote for and contribute to Palins campain. And I am proud to be a white trash, redneck, politically incorrect taxpayer.
Reginald, I back you 100%. It's like trying to talk to children!
akjak~ "Unfortunately, twingirl, Palin cannot do the job. So, people will remember after she's been a bungling idiot for 4 years if McCain/Palin win, that a woman CAN'T do the job."
It's funny that you say this.... because after the past 8 years, I'm pretty sure it proves that a man can't do the job either.
grouchyolman stated:Sarah's running around waving pom-poms? I never saw that on the news
HUH~and here I thought they looked more like boxing gloves...... Again, I just suggest everyone do their own homework and research. We are not going to change minds slinging mud, but throw out a few facts and someone might actually take the time to jump on the internet. Once you shovel threw all the dirt, there truly are some interesting facts! I REPEAT FACTS!
DrKaren,
Your facts and calculations have no place on this message board.
This is the writer. I am a former constituent of Barack Obama. I was born and raised in Chicago. I have been around his block a time or two and fully understand what he is all about. I have seen the radical and corrupt politicians he quietly stands by.
If you think Frank Murkowski the good ol' boy system in Alaska is bad, Obama and the Chicago Democrat Machine which he is part of is way more corrupt and disastrous.
-Ed
Obama will win, so take it like a man and vote correctly for him so the Americans could get back to their well being economy.
http://www.worldbook.com/wb/Students?con...
Test your knowledge on Presidents and Vice Presidents; was looking for information on the past presidential races that ended in recounts. This race will be very close in votes and no doubt a recount will be had.
What I'm wondering about is the "surprise" that the "Hussein political camp" is saying will shock America in October. Sorting through the various guesses that statement has spawned, one sticks out more often than the rest, and that is; Joe Biden will fall ill in Oct, very ill, "forcing" Hussien to redo his choice for VP, and( as if I have to tell you) it will be Hillary Clinton.
Many Dem's have been kicking 'Hussiens camp' arse for not picking her in the first place.. and comparing bodies that lay in Sara Palins political trail, well,, they don't even come close to the total lying in Hillary's political trail!
i have read a few posts on various online message boards from people outside the united states. they have all said that the world is watching this election closely and that if the republcians win there will be much upheaval, as bush was not exactly mr. congeniality. they want change. drastic change. maybe we should take a hint from the world and try implementing this change ourselves.
Compare Palin's experience to Biden's experience, and Palin pales in comparison. It's vital to look at VP candidates, as both presidents could die in office. If Obama really does represent real change in Washington, he may very well become a victim of a lone, crazed (probably racist) gunman, or a mysterious plane crash, the way most powerful, progressive people who go against the status-quo die. (Kennedy, Kennedy, King,Jr., Lennon, Wellstone, JFK,Jr., etc.). McCain's health isn't good, so may not make it through his first term. The VPs will be one person away from the most influential office in the world.
That Palin has to ask, "Just what is it that a VP does?", should be of major concern. Incidentally, if that question were asked of Dick Cheney, the answer would be that the VP orchestrates, manipulates, and lies the country into a war that makes him lots of money. (Cheney privatized the military as Secretary of Defense under Daddy Bush, left to become CEO of the largest military contractor in the US, then went back into office as VP and mislead us into a war that netted his company billions of taxpayer dollars. And yes, Cheney still gets stock options from Halliburton.) Another VP task is to out CIA agents when their husbands don't support your illegal invasions. We can only hope and pray Palin doesn't continue Cheney's reinvented job of VP!
A huge concern about Palin is her belief that George Bush has done a stellar job as president. His administration lied at least 935 times to mislead America into a multi-trillion dollar, illegal, immoral invasion of a nation that wasn't a threat to us, continually bails out crooked corporations while leaving home-owners in the dust, and has crapped on the Constitution so badly that it really IS just a "GD piece of paper" as GW claimed in '05. It really bothers me that “pro-life” Palin believes the slaughter of over a million people for oil is "God's will," but that women and girls should be forced to have the children of their rapists.
As mayor, Palin raised taxes to get a sports complex built, (ignoring a waste-water treatment plant her community needed), putting her community in debt. She asked for more earmarks per capita than any mayor in America, then runs with McCain saying she's against them, lying in her acceptance speech about telling Congress, "Thanks, but no thanks on that bridge to nowhere". She was all for the bridge 'til Congress balked. We're not “picking on her” when we call her on campaign lies.
Like lostalaskan said, Palin is a politician, not the Virgin Mary, so her political career and the statements she makes as a candidate should be subjected to the highest scrutiny. It's our job as citizens to examine the REAL issues, of which Obama's middle name is not one, by the way, but McCain leaving his injured wife for a wealthy blond beauty-queen alcohol-heiress IS, ya think?! If Obama had done that, the corporate press would've had a field day!
Is there anybody out there on the left that can actually explain how the liberal economic policy of Obama and the Congress will make our economy move forward and for long run? Free societies prosper while socialistic societies either stagger or die. But hey all in the name of "fairness" right?
The democrats in Congress are the ones that got us into this housing mess with Fannie May/Freddie Mac and the market crisis. How would bringing that kind of ignorance to the White House do anything but drastically worsen the problem?
Saying Bush stinks and Obama is definitely not Bush is not a policy or anywhere near a guarantee that all the flowers will bloom if the messiah is just sworn in on January 21st.
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