Fluoride poisoning
Published Saturday, June 28, 2008
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To the editor:
Hooper Bay, Alaska, was the home of what KTUU called “the nation’s first death due to fluoride poisoning” in 1992.(www.ktuu.com/Global/story.asp?s=6572490)
The article goes on to provide the opinions and observations of Bush medical professionals that fluoridation in those areas greatly reduces the cost of dental care.
The question, then, is how many lives enforced oral hygiene is worth. Regardless of training and safeguards, accidents will happen. Is fluoridation worth even one more life?
Erik R. Winters
North Pole
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i dont care what KTUU said about anything. it was a malfunction at the water treatment facility. anyone can die from enough of any chemical.
erik you're just stirring things up
One area where those for and against fluoridation agree - too much fluoride is a bad thing. Whenever you ask fluoridation proponents "how much is too much" they will revert to the concentration of fluoride in water such as 1 mg/L. However, that's not the question. What's the safe dose for EACH individual.
If a laborer, military person or diabetic drinks 4 liters of water of day, they consume 4 mg fluoride daily from the water alone. Then you add in the unlisted fluoride in most foods and beverages, the fluoride that's absorbed from dental products, fluoride in air emissions, they are consuming maybe 10 milligrams daily. Is that too much? Will the fluoridation proponents sign an affidavit to be responsible for medical costs of any person harmed from the fluoride concentration of the water supply? If no one would sign such a statement, step away from the water and find a different fluoride-free water source.
We know that the 2005 National Research Council fluoride panel, after reviewing fluoride toxicology data told the Environmental Protection Agency the current Maximum Contaminant Level Goal of fluoride at 4 mg/L is too high to be protective of health because consuming fluoridated water at that level daily leads to bone damage in adults and tooth damage in children. The EPA has yet to review that data to decide what the safe MCLG is - it could be zero.
The American Dental Association and the Centers for Disease Control tell us that babies should avoid the fluoridated water - no matter what the concentration.
The Adequate Intake of fluoride to prevent moderate dental fluorosis (yellow teeth) in children is a very very small amount.
How much fluoride is safe for kidney patients whose improperly functioning kidneys do not correctly flush out fluoride. What about people with impaired immune systems such as those with HIV. Thyroid patients, etc.
The fluoride accidents that kill people that make the news are only the overfeeds. You never read about those people who were sickened and died from the insidiously slow fluoride poisoning of their bodies from drinking "safe" levels of fluoride via the water supply.
There is no need for fluoride in the water. Fluoride is neither a nutrient nor essential for healthy teeth. And no human is, or ever was, fluoride deficient.
"too long clinky, too long" look, you care too much about flouride. how many people have ACTUALLY died from the ACTUAL flouride levels in the water, and NOT from a fluke accident?
Maybe they can start adding vitamin C to the water to prevent scurvy. AHRRRRRRRRRR!
Acute poisoning only happens from water overfeeds but that is not the real risk and it is impossible to know how many exactly are damaged from chronic slow buildup of the fluoride toxin. The Fda has never tested any ingested fluoride or approved as it is sort of grandfathered in as used prior to 1938 as an excellent rat poison and insecticide. It is new unapproved after 63 years of use. The FDA was forced to remove fluoride as a nutrient or probable nutrient after losing three lawsuits and having no proof of bodies need for fluoride. It is fraud to claim a essential nutrient and deceptive to say optimal when there is no need. Back in the 70's data showed that cancer deaths increased 5% after fluoridation. Many studies have shown it decreases immunity response in the body fight cancer and disease. Read the Indian studies with hundreds proving body destroying and life ending disease from exposures many receive from water fluoridation. The cancer study that took almost 40 years before it was done in the old government stall. It showed fluoride caused cancer in male rats. The respected Battell Institutes study was downgraded in a 2 year process which the head toxicologist at the EPA labeled fraud. He was fired for not being a team player in the cover up said the Judge years later when he got his job back. The EPA did not allow him to work in the office but let him work at home. The study have been downgrades in an unbelievable act of science fraud. This is just another reason the 11 EPA unions in 2005 petitoned congress for immediate moratorium and a goal of zero just like other chronic toxins lead and arsenic. Dentists are not qualified to comment outside of the oral cavity yet we still follow their advise resulting in 51% of children being fluoride toxic with dental flurosis enamel damage an a whole boatload of other health risks and damage. Just read the NRC 2006 and realize there is not proof of safety. There has never been a single study for chronic safety or benefit on the toxic waste taken directly from EPA ordered pollution scrubbers loaded with 20 toxic contaminates not disclosed to the public or dentists. Almost too strange to believe the phosphate mines were a major source of uranium recovery for decades but now the radioactive sludge is just part of the unmentioned contaminates. It would be a major public relations blunder to be honest about anything with fluoridation. Even the dentists are fluoride ignorant Yoder K.M. 2007 tested dental professionals and only 17% understood the new science of how fluoride works topically not by ingestion. Only 14% got it right in Illinois. Dentists are the worst source of correct information on ingested fluoride except for health department people who seem to even get less right. Your regular health professionals will know less then you if you do a few hours of reading on a good web site like fluoridalert.org waterloowatch.com Jim Schultz
To Burninator--what do you know about fluoride? Study up and remember fluoride intake lowers IQ. Please slow down on that intake for the sake of all. Jim Schultz
I think I finally figured out why people who live inside the Fairbanks City limits act so strange at time. It's the water. Remember the old time miners acted crazy because of the arsenic in the water. Guess we see now what fluoride can do. Thank goodness, I have a well.
More people die from exploding farts (really ugly!) than by fluoride poisioning .... geeze.
Yes, fluoride is dangerous. Thank goodness I'm on my well outside the city. It's located next to my septic outfall and lined with tinfoil after being placed in arsenic bearing rock. Oh, so is my roof. Keeps them black helicopters from hearing my thinking.... Yep, that damn fluoride is robbing our vital fluids...need to build that bunker bigger to protect me. Oh chek out FluorideAlertEmergencyAction..com for real up to date facts! Junk science at it's best.
Now I know why the foil hats are in short supply as the Pro fluoride folks up north must have stocked up for a long winter. We are not trying to imply fluoride is the only issue but it is excellent at helping many ther things like aluminum crossing the blood brain barrier. Just like we are told not to cook acid things like tomatoes in aluminum it is true of what even 1ppm FSA can do in aluminum pot . Boiled it can leach 200ppm aluminum in 10 min and 600ppm in 30 min. This is not good unless you desire dementia. The Julie Varner 1998 rat studies showed 80% of rats died of damaged kidneys and Beta Amaloid deposits in the 12 month experments with 100% having the damage and copper hairless skin which is a aging sign. This was repeated three times and the 1ppm fluoride with 1ppm aluminum also damaged the best. Food for thought. Remember The FSA toxic sludge d\has not one safety or benefit chronic study ever. It does have acute studies that shows it drops animals dead. That is the LD 50 where 50% of animals die from a dose in mg/KG. By the way FSA is 25 times more lethal then calcium fluoride which was the natural calcium the theory was based on. Teh thing about the theory by H.T. Dean was it left out most of the cities studied because the great majority showed no benefit and he only showed 21 cities that made it look possible. He admitted this in court twice in the 50's. Those that looked and plotted all his data say it proved only that higher fluoride intake damaged more teeth. This is being proven today as food and beverage sourses increase drasticly with dental care products a huge risk for kids with the ADA blaming parents for poor supervision causing the worst of the ugly dental fluorosis. Young kids swallow more then half as a median dose. At le3ast as topical it has some potential for benefit until swallowed then it is only damaging just like water fluoridation. The Indiana dental association discovered only 17% of dentists even understood the new science of topical benefit not ingested. 14% in Illinois. They rate a solid failure and yet we follow their direction. This is about body toxicity and dentists are not trained and for them to comment about safety is a dianosis that puts them at risk of their license. Jim Schultz Lawsuits are going to happen on kidney damage first I think and our dentists say safe for all.
Anything can be toxic; it is the dose that determines toxicity. The understated unfortunate event at Hooper Bay was an accident that resulted in a lethal dose.
In recently discussing this topic with a friend she pointed out that most of those that oppose fluoridation are also financially and/or geographically able to seek out regular dental care. Those that aren't able to afford regular dental care or that don't have access to emergency dental services can benefit greatly from reduced instances of dental caries and disease provided by fluoridated water.
I grew up on well water. My peers that grew up within a comparable socio-economic status and with fluoridated water have significantly better dental health than I do. My compromised dental health has cost me much money and pain over the years. This doesn't prove anything to the masses, but it reinforces my support of properly fluoridated water.
Fluoride is a neurotoxin (brain poison). Read the warning label on any tube of fluoridated toothpaste...
Hooper Bay, 1992 was far from the first death due to "fluoride poisoning". Nuclear weapons and chemical production and have created great havoc by way of worker exposure and industrial/shipping spills, including many of the concentrated fluorosilicates used for treating public drinking water.
The earliest death from fluoride dental treatment that I've seen reported in the news was in 1976 when a three year old Brooklyn boy accidentally swallowed a stannous fluoride gel applied during his first visit to the dentist.
Fluorides are distinctly toxic in doses as dilute as 20 ppm. The EPA is faulted by experts in it's own ranks and in the 2006 NRC report for allowing as much as 4 ppm in drinking water. Severe illness occurs at 50 ppm and 150 ppm can be fatal for a healthy adult male, as was the case in Hooper Bay, when equipment failure resulted in a massive fluoride overfeed.
A lesson here is that the deadly water supply tastes just fine. Many cases of fluoride toxicity in drinking water have affected everyone in the community who drinks the water. There is no indication that anything is wrong until you get sick after consuming a couple of glasses of the beverage made with it. Even waterworks engineers have failed to respond to fluoride overfeeds because their analysis equipment found mainly excess iron or copper which was likely leached from pipes by the chemically active fluoride.
Dialysis patients are particularly at risk as was tragically shown by a fluoride overfeed in Annapolis, MD in 1979. As reported in the Evening Capitol newspaper on Nov 29, "Fluoride poisoning has been definitely linked to the death of a 65-year-old kidney dialysis patient." The concentration was about 35 ppm.
Fluoridation proselytizers often tell us to get a reverse osmosis filter if we don't want the toxin coming out of our faucets. I guess many people do that, since googling "fluoride" will bring up an ad offering "Whole House Fluoride Removal System, 3yr capacity. Free Ship. Now $595." Course, after 3 years you will have to buy some new filter elements...
But, you know, any machinery can fail. That's just what happened on July 16, 1993 in Chicago. According to the Chicago Sun-Times, "Small amounts of fluoride are added to help prevent tooth decay. A series of devices used to purify the water used for dialysis somehow failed to do so... " and three dialysis patients were killed by exposure to water with 1 ppm fluoride ion.
Sure, accidents happen and public health officials have the unenviable task of estimating the casualties that their policies may cause, and then weighing that down side against the purported benefits of the policy.
But it's easy to estimate how much sickness and death will arise from fluoride toxicity when it's not added to the water supply. None, zero, zip. And any schoolchild can confidently make that prediction.
It's truly a no-brainer - no fluoride, no risk.
By the way, does anyone know if there are regulations in effect that do not let fluoride in the water sold in bottle water, water used to make juice drinks, soft drinks, ice teas, coffee, etc. You may not be drinking it at home, what about the things you buy from the store.
Frankly, quite the opposite. There is no regulations on any bottled drinks, look on the label to see were it was bottled, then look on the internet to see it that place fluoridates.
Ron
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