Community Perspective
All-Alaska line is state’s best option for gas
Published Sunday, July 6, 2008
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Stumble It!If the criminal leadership of the Alaska Legislature had followed the edict of Alaska voters who overwhelmingly voted to build the All-Alaska Gasline in 2002, we would have affordable energy in the Interior today. We would not now be worrying about the cost of fuel oil, which may hit $7 per gallon before next winter is over.
But those “leaders” within the Legislature and the discredited Murkowski administration rolled over to do the bidding of the multinational corporations who sit on five trillion dollars worth of our natural gas and ignored the voters’ wishes.
Some of those legislators are in prison today. Others remain under criminal investigation and residents here are overpaying for energy by at least $200 million per year.
Governor Sarah Palin came into office on the promise of building an “Alaskan” gasline and got off to an admirable start with AGIA a year and a half ago.
But we have a very different situation today than when AGIA was conceived. Massive budget surpluses and a crippling energy crisis require that we take direct control and build the gas line ourselves. All of the good things that AGIA was intended to promote can be preserved by direct Alaska control and ownership of our gas line.
Here is what we know, and do not know, about the TransCanada plan.
Commissioner Tom Irwin is being absolutely honest when he says that awarding a license to TransCanada will not guarantee a gas line. This is not acceptable. We deserve certainty. Giving an exclusive license to TransCanada could be a death sentence for the Interior.
We do not know what corporation may someday own TransCanada — and the exclusive license we intend to grant. Russia-controlled Gazprom, Exxon Mobil or Conoco Phillips could acquire TransCanada with ease.
We do not know the route of the proposed gas line or the location of the gas delivery points. That determination will be left to the owners of TransCanada and future commissioners. For $500 million, one would think that legislators would want to know such things. Particularly our Interior legislators. What if TransCanada decides to route the gas line outside of the Fairbanks North Star Borough to reduce the length of the line and avoid property taxes? If the legislature was foolish enough to agree to the license, they lose any say over the route.
We have learned that whoever controls TransCanada may not issue project sanction until 2018. Can the Interior wait another decade while a foreign, multinational corporation located within a country that is a competitor to Alaska decides to build a gas line that is absolutely critical to our future? We’d have to be utterly insane to take such an avoidable risk.
Governor Palin must understand that we have different circumstances that absolutely require that we reject the TransCanada deal and move forward with an Alaskan gas line. Alaskans deserve that certainty.
An Alaskan gasline to Valdez has a firm cost of $11.7 billion. Our surplus this year is about ten billion. The surplus next year may be 15 billion. If Alaska took a 70/30 debt to equity ratio in the project, the direct Alaska investment would only be about $3.5 billion. The regulated rate of return on equity would be 14 percent, or about double what Alaska earns from our permanent fund.
By getting gas to the Interior within five years, the Interior saves at least $1 billion — and maybe our military bases — a point ignored by the economic models prepared by the administration.
The public hearings around Alaska that the administration — and certain legislators — tried to avoid had a recurring theme. Alaskans who testified overwhelmingly rejected TransCanada in favor of the All-Alaska Gasline. This is consistent with polls and the anti-TransCanada public comment submitted within the AGIA public comment period.
Alaskans understand. With the All-Alaska gasline Alaska keeps the profits here. We control the timing. We control the number and location of Alaska gas delivery points. We get gas flowing here within five years — not in 2020. We keep value-added industry and jobs here in Alaska. And we sell our gas for trillions more because we’d be accessing premium, world markets.
This public policy discussion is about an issue of profound importance to Alaska. I’ve challenged the Palin administration to have a series of public debates- instead of the one sided monologs that have occurred thus far. The Palin administration has not responded.
Merrick Peirce serves on the board of the Alaska Gasline Port Authority. The opinion expressed is his own.
Community Discussion
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So who is prepared to build the All Alaska Line? Denali, aka BP Conoco, the Port Authority, the Russians? Please tell us where they were last year when the State asked for their proposals, and gave them our requirements under AGIA? I would like to know why the people should shelve an actual proposal for no proposal. Why now is the Port Authority against Trans Canada? I have a very good idea why Denali is against it. How much is the Port Authority going to lose, or stand to gain? 11 Billion is a big commitment for nothing. Who cares if it doesn't run through the North Star Burrough? If you could do it in five years, you should have got the Port Authority busy fitting pipe six years ago and saved us a few billion dollars.
I don't have any control over any of these companies, but I do have a 1/700,000 share of the control of this State. I will use my fingers to let the other 699,999 Alaskans know that I am fed up with big corporations, big government, and no pipeline. Is it not true that the longer we wait to get Alaska's Gas to market because of other developing fields, our chances of getting a pipeline built get smaller?
Blocking Trans Canada kills the pipeline. It's the intent of Denali, and of the Port Authority. If I am wrong, then Trans Canada will build a line, Denali will build another line and we will be selling gas twice as fast. If as I fear it will, history repeats itself, then we won't be too amazed in twenty-five years when we are talking about the seventy five years that Alaska has wasted not getting a gas line built because we backed out of a deal with an actual pipeline construction company.
Thank you for a well-thought summary. It echos what myself and others have been saying for some time now...ALASKA FIRST.
We are lucky to have such huge reserves of gas. To allow outside control of our (and future generation's) resources is foolish in the extreme, and should our legislators and administration go ahead with the Trans-Canada plan, I believe they should be punished accordingly.
Alaska has a unique opportunity to assure its residents a cheap, abundant supply of power for hundreds of years. Lets not blow it.
Spend three billion to save 1 billion, Brilliant Plan Mr Peirce. Gasline or not, the military bases are not in jeopardy. AGIA is the State's long term budget plan. $500 million is a fiscally responsible investment. These johnny come lately big company plans when the state has a big surplus are just vultures trying to profit from our good fortune, and we need to close the purse strings until they show us their books. Also, what is their company investing in Alaska's pipeline as proposed to be built by Trans Canada?
Mr Port Authority we could use a 500 million dollar loan to get the gas line built. How bout it, show some corporate fortitude and grant the state some money for a change. Or better still, pay some of the grant money back that your company has been given over the years. We'll take it in 100 foot pipe sections.
DenaliGuy,
Why gas to Fairbanks before the State has a contract to build a line? Or is there some other proposal that met the requirements of AGIA? Fairbanks gas isn't AGIA's intent. Fairbanks gas isn't the intent of an all Alaska line. Fairbanks gas will not fix the energy problem in Fairbanks without a firm commitment to get a main line to deliver gas to the world. The State can get gas to Fairbanks next year if they chose to do so. The state cannot get the producers to commit. Not for the last 45 years and not without the ability to pull their leases. A big gas line gives us that option.
It's time the legislature look out for the State's best interest and keep AGIA on track. We can fix medium and long term energy problems in the regular session. Less than a year ago we listened ad-nauseum as to why Denali member companies couldn't explore for more oil, or gas. Why it was not economical for them to build a gas line. But now that the state has money... Everyone wants to play nice except those that won't get enough profit when they build the line.
Legislators, Remember the comments last year about the instability of the Alaska Goverment as it relates to exploration for oil and gas. Put the cornerstone in place for a Solid Future and pass the TC Proposal, Get the resource rebate and motor fuel tax things done, then hang a sign on the door for all to see...
WE'RE CLOSED!
(please return during our regularly scheduled "special" sessions where only a few can watch and public testimony is so overrated)
Everybody needs to forget there's trillions of dollars worth of gas in the arctic...
it's nothing more than a fire hazard and methane-bomb until you begin to use it.
Alaska's gas is worth more to Alaskans as gas without turning it into money first.
Alaska's gas is worth more to Alaskans as gas without turning it into money first.Alaska's gas is worth more to Alaskans as gas without turning it into money first.
...Juneau, stubborn Juneau.. tsk,tsk.
For the past 30years anybody who has ever said that they were unable to get North Slope gas to market is completely full of Bullhooey.
Nuiqsut is the closest market, next Barrow,etc.
HDPE-gasline has been used in service in North America since before 1960--> nearly 50years
www.fairbanksgas.com
The next regional market is the settlements and villages in the Brooks Range that haven't been served by a gasline or tanktruck delivery yet, Anaktuvuk Pass[CNG], Noatak[CNG], [LPG]Wiseman,Coldfoot,etc.
These villages can be served by NS-gas at the 10-15 million dollar level by gasline, and/or LPG-truck combo with pipe.
The next market region is at the $15-20mil level.
Bettles[LPG], Alakaket,etc.
The next market region is at the $20-30mil level. [LPG]
Tanana, Kotzebue, Stevens Village, Arctic Village,etc.
The next market region is at the $30-40mil level.
30% of Fairbanks area [LPG]
By installing the very first HDPE gasline from Prudhoe to Atigun Pass the cashflow for the next segment of gasline will be paid for in 6months, afterwards gasline network amortization will evolve much quicker.
Juneau is the last place I'd look for help on this project..
..too much psychological baggage there.
BigOil can be friendlier if you start out by kneecapping them a few times just to get their respect..
then Juneau will timidly follow if you show them how to make real progress on the ground without doing a damn thing in a heated office..
this whole thing can be built out of a motorhome with an internet connection.
Do you know why dweebs in office buildings wear neckties???
..it's to keep the foreskin from covering their head.
It's the idiots in office buildings who have been preventing Alaska's gas from flowing to the Alaskan People,and from there to markets beyond Alaska.
Alaska has a big surplus of methane..
until all of Alaska has virtually free heat and fuel it does not have a surplus of NGL's.
Maybe I should spearhead a big media expose' about how the Exxon Valdez oil spill was caused not by Hazelwood's DUI, but by Alyeska, and Juneau, and WARshington conspiring to cheat the risk to environment by breaking the protocols of using "coiled-tankers" for hi-viscosity crude...
they've been shipping a dangerous mix in supertankers..
at the very least ship the NGL's separately in LPG-tankers..
whutta bunch of lazy self-centered cutcorner cheats!!!
You still wanna play hardball with me after all these years??
Alaska has been reduced to a Resource Extraction Colony..
..it might as well be an neighboring territory to Angola in Africa.
Americans All... damn your lying eyes, said Johnny Cash.
Merrick - Your rhetoric has grown old. Baseless claims that TC will be acquired by some evil entity. Suggestions that the vast majority of Alaskans favor the "All Alaskan" pipe dream over TC, when it is evident that the opposite is true. Over recent weeks many of the port authority' leaders have spoken in favor of the TC proposal. It is time for you to stop.
What I would be interested in is a full accounting of the borough's funding of the port authority. How much of our money have you and the mayor waste
This man has blogged under how many names with the same old line. If he no longer supports the Port Authority's goals, isn't it time for him to resign from the board. He talked on a local radio show about how Wally Hickel was going to meet with the Governor last Wednesday and how this would change her attitude towards AGIA and back on the State paid for line. He has made promises that no matter where you live in the borough, you will have gas in five years. It has become hard to find anything he says creditable.
For someone who for years claimed to be a fiscal conservative, he has made the statement he would take as much money from the government as he could to achieve his goal. This is an example of one's ego getting in the way of common sense.
Show the public the signed contract that you have a firm price that will never increase as you have stated. One the State could take to court. Or is this another one of your statements which never seen to have any written proof.
Finally, by comparing the rhetoric and writing style, it is confirmed who is "eatin_and_heatin" on the community discussion pages. This is another dose of his poison. "Criminal leadership" - none of whom have been indited. "Discredited Murkowski administration" - yet no explanation of how it was "discredited." No recognition of the fact that the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission (of which Governor Palin was a member) would not have allowed gas harvest for decades because it was being used to "pressurize" the oil fields for enhanced harvest. Just "build the gas line ourselves." Not a 4+ billion cubic feet per day gas line to the lower 48, mind you - a much smaller 1 point something billion cubic feet per day line to a compression plant in Valdez that doesn't have American flagged vessels to ship the gas, that doesn't have regassification plants on the west coast to take it, that doesn't have any cash itself, that can't get federal loan guarantees, etc., etc., etc. So, here we have the Borough Mayor's pal - a known Democrat party activist by the way - claiming all these huge (most likely insurmountable) hurdles would have been magically solved and gas would have been flowing to Fairbanks if only we had "nationalized" the gas line a few years back.
A few truths are sprinkled in Mr. Pierce's piece. The final decision to build or not is left to the Trans Canada board of directors in Calgary - with no guarantees to Alaska until that far off point in time. There is no guarantee of the route. Trans Canada - a public corporation - could be bought out by a bigger company. But, while he is right about the inadequacies of AGIA, he is terribly wrong about the viability of the Port Authority plan (even though he doesn't identify the so called All-Alaska line by name).
I suggest that Alaskans "un-circle" the wagons and quit shooting each other. It shouldn't matter whose plan it is (today's delay doesn't belong to the Murkowski administration) as long as it gets built quickly and as inexpensively as possible to keep the tariff from taking all the profits.
I just wonder if Mr. Pierce will also be on the board of directors of the yet to be named $20 billion outfit that will be coronated by the Mayor through the "no-bid" process to solve all our energy problems?
no heat-or-eat, no fighterpilot...hmm, could it be we've pulled the mask off of batman?
I think that the DNM should limit the number of "community perspectives" that one person can write on the same subject. This must be the 4th or 5th written by Merrick on the port authority.
He is an example of why Whitaker can be trusted with money he would let guys like Merrick be in charge of it.
Gasline ! We don't need no stinkin' gas line.
Only 1,100 homes and business in the borough are connected to gas.
Over 40,000 are connected to the electrical grid.
Never mind, ever more expensive gas, at world market prices for Fairbanks.
Build the Susitina Dam. Clean carbon dioxide free electricity for pennies a kilowatt-hour. Forever !
If a gasline can be built to Fairbanks for the exclusive use of the Fairbanks market for around $150 to $400 million then it must be done. But would the state give us the same deal as Anchorage for cheap and basically subsidized gas? If so then lets get started tomorrow. The number of homes in the Fairbanks region connected to gas will climb; anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool. GVEA can use the gas to spin some of their turbines in North Pole. Flint Hills can use the gas to heat their distillation process and hence save the refinery. A line dedicated to serve Fairbanks (forget the Anchorage folks, have they ever supported us?) would solve our energy crisis as soon as it is operation.
I like the idea of the coal gasification project, but a gasline scaled to serve Fairbanks can be completed quicker and cheaper than the CTL facility.
The Port Authority has the right-of-way permits, we can buy the gas from the state, and we have the market. Let's Build!!!!
We need to ignore the "Big Mikes", Woodman", and "Dark Horse's" of Fairbanks who will argue our future to death over stupid and frankly near to insane political crap. We need energy now! Let's build and stop wasting our time grinding political axes.
First Gasline to Fairbanks Wins !!!
www.fairbanksgas.com
SaveAmerica, sounds like you took a look at the slideshow found at
www.fairbanksgas.com
It's about 2,800,000 feet from Prudhoe to Fairbanks..
using HDPE-pipe most of the way, it's possible to lay an 8" 250psi LPG-gasline with (30)-120hp pumpstations for $35/foot..
$98million.....CHEAP!!!
...even cheaper if we buy a plastic pipe extrusion machine and run our own HDPE-pellets thru it in a shop in Fairbanks.
Actually, if I was project manager for the gasline-cooperative there would be a lot of money left over, and the union member help would be sad the job was over because it was so much fun.
....flash/rumble
Has anyone notice the group that generally supports Alaska money to pay for a gas line has not written anything today, usually they are writing small volumes. Maybe your right Big Mike, maybe it has been one person using many names to make the public believe there is support. Wonder when new names will appear to replace the old ones?
When Suomi dissappeared Woodman, BigMike, Dark horse all showed up. And Bob (one or all of these guys) the bum from his lil cabin in Goldstream stopped calling in on KFAR because he knows that everytime he does someone will call in and talk about his welfare status.
Wondered when smallbob would appear, always seems to be when heat or eat or the other names get touchy. I'm getting to think he is also the same person as heat and eat and the author of this community perspective. Always attacking the same person. What do you think Big Mike.
Nah, Don't really have an opinion about that but I do enjoy you too Free Dafur whatever that means. I made the connection because Bob blogs like he speaks on the radio except there's always some shrill voice in the background telling him what to say. I suspect it's his wife. I only harangue Bob because i so enjoy his calls to KFAR where he acts like he has a clue and in actuality he's just some bum living off welfare and letting the rest of us foot his bills. He's always chewing on the Port Authority for some reason and the mayor too. I'm simply trying to bring some balance to the universe.
We have about two months before we start heating again in Fairbanks. Who's got the specs on a line that will produce <500 MCF / day from Prudhoe to Fairbanks and approval to build the line? Where do I have to run a line from my house to get some of that gas? Let's get a proposal for the regular legislative session together tell people where to send their investments, and what they need to do to convert to gas and build the in-state line ourselves as a CO-OP or LLC funded by private citizens and ran by sourghdoughs. Who ever is already doing this needs to advertise and get some info out to those that, like me, have a never ending honey do list.
Darkyhorsey- This was in a recent news story about gas off take. "The commission is considering a revision of a 1977 rule which limits the maximum annual gas off-take to “2.7 billion standard cubic feet per day” or “an annual average gas pipeline delivery sales rate of 2.0 billion cubic feet per day of pipeline quality gas…”
Looks like we could have been taking gas off the slope for 30 + years.
And tell us more about Pete Kott, Vic Kohring, Ben Stevens and Jimmy Clark. All but one have been found guilty. Didn't they all have leadership positions where they betrayed us?
And how about Ruedrich? Didn't he get convicted too? Wasn't he running AOGCC? He's the one Sarah blew the whistle on, right?
Computer addiction is real.It takes away valuable time that should be spent doing things,like chopping wood,hauling wood and stacking wood.Take off those neck ties.And cancel the NAACP membership[National Association Of Allways Complaining People].Words of advice? maybe.But when you pay that $1550.00 fuel bill this winter, try burning the couch first.
ONAPA----> [and everyone else]
Who's got the specs on a line that will produce <500 MCF / day from Prudhoe to Fairbanks and approval to build the line?
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www.fairbanksgas.com
I'm waiting for someone anywhere in Alaska to step forward and volunteer to begin taking pledges [the precursor to donations]..
much like a pledge drive for a public radio station.
Would you volunteer to compile a list of people who would donate in increments of $1000 ?? [ big increments simplifies the accounting].
This is how you start a public cooperative.
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Building your bank...
Once you have a contact list of pledges, then you start your first pledge drive to pool enough dough to get organized.
This means hiring a Certified Public Accountant/Notary.
[I'm not a professional banker, find a trusty someone who is]
For example: Jim Crawford in Eagle River has been a professional morgtage banker for 30years, and he has experience with banking on the construction of the TAPS pipeline.
http://www.thecordovatimes.com/news/stor...
Keep
It
Simple
Stupid
This gasline is simple, and so should the administration of the project.
It's just like running a gasline from your house to your neighbors house, just repeated a 100,000 times.
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Simpler to heat with Propane if you got it..
6% of NS-gas is propane
[it would take Fairbanks 1000years to make a dent in the supply]
The first gasline will be a little LPG-propane gasline to Atigun Pass.
The first NS-gas from Prudhoe will arrive in LPG-trucks.
The first LPG won't be cheap, but it will be a lot cheaper than heating-oil per BTU.
[but the goal will be to eventually get our energy costs down to less than psychotic prices]
The average goldpanner has experience with propane heating appliances.. if you can't figure out how to keep your butt from freezing this winter with propane just ask anybody who doesn't have frostbite.
[frostbite can be good for you, it greatly improved my looks]
If you're trying to heat your big house, or condo, with propane..
..set up a webcam indoors to show the weirdos in Juneau what life is like trying to survive midwinter in Fairbanks.
Propane is a poor replacement for firewood, but is a good replacement for electric heat.
I own several different propane gizmos..
and in a pinch I can get by without stinking too badly camping out with a simple 10" diameter Coleman Catalytic Heater.
This thing will burn continuously for nearly a week on a 5gallon jug of gas.
I can heat a washcloth on it, boil water on it, heat a fry-pan.
A single burner cooktop is a little more useful.
A Coleman propane lantern will throw off a lot of heat and light.
...with these three propane gizmos I can survive living in a styrofoam box-truck in Fairbanks all winter using 10gallons of propane per week.
Ventilation and freezing condensation are the bugaboo, fixed with crafty use of a little bit of ducting and a muffin-fan.
..sorry, just passing a little gas
The slideshow --->
at www.fairbanksgas.com
has received 10,000 pageviews
in the past month...
if each person pledged $1000,
then I'd be up on the slope
laying pipe with a couple helpers..
even if it took all winter..
we'd finally stretch 820,000feet of gasline to Atigun Pass.
This $10mil investment would pass enough gas to pay for itself in a couple months if there was enough trucks in the Koyukuk to haul it to town.
I would like to see a breakdown of where each of our elected officials sits on an all-Alaska gasline route versus supporting TransCanada. This need to be published in the Miner.
DistantThunder-
I have to inject here. People actually are paying attention to your plan, which is a very dangerous thing. Your numbers are no where close to reality, nor are your ideas on certain subjects.
FrozenAK,
SEZ YOU!
D.T.'s Numbers are as real as anybody elses. Don't just nay say, offer a better plan. We need to do something, and sooner not later. If folk stop shooting down workable plans and start supporting SOMETHING we won't have to live in FrozenAK
Actually those numbers aren't even close to real. I wouldn't even know where to begin.
1- Lifting and seperation handling at point zero would consume most of this "budget". Not to mention take off points in the interior.
2- Timeline involving enviromental impact statements is 24 months min. Let me explain this in greater detail. Once your plan is in place, (engineering every nut and bolt), there is a 24 month period of study, and public hearing that takes place.
3-And the the cost of install itself. I have to actually laugh out loud at this part. Have they researched recent Capital projects involving oil and gas distribution? Heck, simply research the Fiber Optic line put in from Deadhorse to Valdez in the late 90's to realize this number doesn't even come close, (the fiber optic job was simple is scope/task of work.
Either way. I love the fact that people are thinking outside the box, but it can be dangerous information at times.
FrozenAK - If Distant Thunder's numbers are incorrect then why don't you tell us how much you think it will cost and why. And what exactly is "dangerous"?
We are about to begin a second “special” session of the legislator to do some more TALKING about a pipeline that may or may not ever be built. This is a true emergency and in emergent times, some of those environmental regulations could be suspended for awhile. How about laying a HDPE line on the current pipeline corridor were it is applicable and get the rest down as economically as possible then truck it the rest of the way. Any answer is better than no answer, the box is getting smaller and frost is forming on the walls.
SamBam: Look it up. I did. Sarah Palin was the Chair of AOGCC during the Ruedrich incident. John Harris was Speaker of the House - not Pete Kott. Kott, a notorious hard drinker, couldn't deliver any votes. Vic Kohring never had any meaningful leadership position in the House - ever. He had zero influence and was a known mooch. Ben Stevens has not been charged by anyone for anything. Jim Clark admitted criminal activity - one of thousands of administration employees. Now, let's see. The activities of a few bad apples duly elected by the voters in their districts does not make the legislature "criminal." There are a lot of good, honest, hard working men and women serving in those offices. One bad apple in an administration does not discredit all of the good, honest, hard working men and women in that branch either. Mr. Pierce uses these gross exagerations to disparage entire branches of government. It's an old trick of saying: "You can't trust those guys, so trust me instead." That inditement of others, of course, immediately preceeds his own gross exagerations. I don't know Mr. Pierce's background but I'd bet he has a few years indoctrinating college students somewhere along the way. A few facts. A few exagerations. If presented right, pretty soon it all blends together.
I guess I'm saying that anyone who breaks the law needs to be held accountable - no matter what office or position held. However, the sins of a few do not criminalize the whole. Nor do the sins of another cover up the exagerations of the author. Or do they?
Dangerous in my opinion-
Incorrect information, that leads a group (or in this case a public forum), into believing an idea that is to good to be true.
I have been out hunting and gathering for the upcoming cold months and have returned with a good supply. I have questions on who owns the asphalt slabs that run through the State of Alaska? What is transported on these asphalt slabs and who maintains them? Does every Alaskan get a investment dividend every year from the State of Alaska? Who owns the the resource that we are discussing? Who wants and needs this resource that is being discussed to death now for 35 years (give or take a few years)? Its all about $$$$$$$$.
Build this damn State owned pipeline with State money, to send State owned gas to Alaskan communities so that the $$$$$$'s will be recirculated in the State of Alaska. Also the Alaskan owned pipeline can be maintained by ALASKANS ONLY that have invested their PFD's ( just the amount needed to build this pipeline), then give out stock to each Alaskan that would have received a PFD and then Alaskans would receive another State check in the future for their investment.(Look at the PF, it ain't doing to bad). KEEP THE MONEY FROM ALASKA IN ALASKA ON THESE KIND OF PROJECTS. How hard is that to do. Oh yes, when Alaskans owns the pipeline then Alaskans can have a bigger say in how much N Gas anyone else can ship. Like the oil companies dictated on the TAPS. But for the right amount of $$$$$$'s I will fill in the gaps of the gas pipeline dream for every Alaskan.
Alaska has always wanted to be independent, so here's your chance to start.
FrozenAaack!!!! gets a big KISS from me, gray smelly whiskers and a big bone crushing bear hug too!!!
K.I.S.S.
Everything you learned in school is wrong
Lifting and separation...
isn't that what you get with a Playtex Cross Your Heart Bra ???
"Here, Play With These, Tex!"
Small portable gas-processing plants don't cost billions.
..and 10years from now oil might be $40/bbl again
http://www.globalresourcecorp.com/Engine...
There's many different things going on that can come into play when 10,000 Alaskans start running around in circles with a 400mile long rubber-hose....
Gas to Liquids-->
http://www.alaskajournal.com/stories/070...
..and it's possible that when Fairbanks finally gets a few railcars full of HDPE-pellets and a pipe-extrusion machine that the situation will have changed enough the first gasline to town might be running from Healy instead.
Did you know that you can build a mini-Fisher/Tropsch GTL Plant that can fit on a 130' long landing-craft?
...same-same for a propane processor.
[just need more than one mini-processor to fill a 4" gasline with LPG 24/7]
...gas processors can be mass-produced in 40'containers, built in any world industrial center and shipped to any gasfield for pushbutton plug&play operation.
24months for an environmental impact statement?
...it takes a Real Clown to cut through Red Tape.
Did the friends of Wally Hickel need an EIS when they built the railroad from Seward to Fairbanks???
The State of Alaska needs to focus on fixing the EIS for TAPS before they do anything else...
because the underlying cause in the chain of events that caused the ExxonValdez oil spill IS STILL BROKEN, AND STILL NEEDS FIXING.
...believe it or not!!!
A box of band-aids will not fix the possibility of another oil spill.
The nice thing about having a webpage that belongs to a 10,000 member cooperative is..
not a nickle gets spent without everybody instantly knowing about it..
and labor unions start asking, "GeeWhiz, How did you do that? Can you do that for us too"
Thinking out of "the box" ??
...the guys driving the cookie wagon never could figure out how to put a box on my head.... (;-P)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSgL0Ie4z...
Thanx, FrozenAK.. yer ok, despite your OJT
.....so, my next silly suggestion is to find someone who's talented enough to put together a webpage that's structured for the needs of the Fairbanks Energy Cooperative.
[I kinda like calling it "Sourdough Gas Passers" but it duzzint matter]
I really like the structure of this webpage-->
http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Main_Pa...
...maybe it could be emulated or copied??
Getting a webpage together is the next step that needs to happen when pledges get collected...
it's all about organization..
for political power,
for project management,
for legal protections and financial surety, etc.
.....crash/mumble
The Governor has spoken today and introduced a bullet line proposal. Now we begin the process again.
I read the Governor's proposal from Anchorage to Fairbanks. We can do better because by the time it is built they will be out of gas. I am willing help with the effort to bring the gas off the slope to Fairbanks in a wheel barrel if needed. The Governor says it will be two years before they can start. It will take two years to get a full blown proposal past the legislature. I have two wheel barrels in my yard right now ready to move!
I'm confused . . . exactly why would we want to give our gasline to Canada?
chiliwilli, We have a gas line? Where?
Trans Canada is an independent company that builds profitable gas lines. They are the only company that submitted an acceptable proposal to the State last year to build a gas line to get gas from the north slope to the world market allowing take off points within the state. The question is are the legislators going to get on with their unfinished business or beat a dead horse back to life in the form of an all Alaska line.
As a final note. I believe that a lot of people need to accept reality.
All we can do is play the cards that we've been delt. All these "armchair experts", stop complaining and deal with what we have.Unlessyou want to run for elected office, accept what is!
What is so hard to understand? The TransCanada proposal is NOT Alaska's only choice. The mandate of the people is "build an ALASKAN pipeline that supports ALASKA". A gas line straight to Canada & the lower 48 is NOT an "acceptable proposal".
So when Cook Inlet oil fields run dry, are we going to pay to ship the gas back up to Alaska?
Instead of arguing about whether people will spend the money on beer, use the money to create other energy options. Natural Gas, Wind, Solar! Duh!
http://www.pickensplan.com/ is a good start.
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Nightshade
7/9/2008, 11:36 p.m.
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As I was listening to them bickering on who really owns what and how to stab the other... reminded me of days gone by. Wood was used first the coal then oil now gas. Seems like there's more of the latters now but the focus is in the newest. Well even before all this whale was used and had the characteristics. Burn the fat for fast bones would have been a slower burn and abundant. But the newer is what where left with. Seems like a trying to keep up with the Jones's point on everything the, when really they've been trying to keep up with you're other older technologies.
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Nightshade
7/9/2008, 11:45 p.m.
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Not telling everyone they should do this but maybe steam heating the home cabin might be an idea run a steam pipe along the home in steel piping cost would be high but the cost of fuel will save in the long run. Because it's steam fire out breaks would'nt be a problem because steam is heated water. The only problem would be pressure leaving enough room for the pressure to escape would be idea'll. Even copper aluminum and other type metals could be put threw the home in a week with a small boiler to heat it all.
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Nightshade
7/9/2008, 11:55 p.m.
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But pvc would not be idea'll with this recommendation. The plastics can't take the pressure or the extreme temperatures that would be built. It would have to be a coar metal steel is most recommended. Now I know that fairbankgas has a lot of ideas some might work but run a line the full length of the room just one room and see what happens before you go extreme. I say the top corner never the bottom steam rises and it's much better outta reach.
My god Distant you need to slow down I can't read everything and think it has meaning. We all aren't going to all look here then there we need answers now. Not tomarrow. We need readily avalible solutions not another crazed maniacs proposal. Look what I have said if it won't work say so. If it would say why not. But rambiling on other sites won't help everyone that might get virused just by going there.
Lower 48 and everyone he's the call I have a few minutes to take calls 269-320-3962 on what should be done. 5am -7am
Time is short and it's on my limited bill. I'm an Doyon shareholder that wonders what you think also not affeiated with board membership or anything a clean spoken Native that cares about Alaska.
Children PULLEEZE!
No wonder we cant get anything done. With a group like this, someone should start gathering fire wood-for the next 50 years.
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