Palin promises Alaskans will start receiving dividends by Sept. 12
Published Wednesday, August 20, 2008
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Stumble It!JUNEAU — Gov. Sarah Palin says the first round of Alaska Permanent Fund Dividend checks will be deposited Sept. 12.
She announced the date during a Wednesday news conference discussing natural gas pipeline development.
Last year, nearly every resident received a $1,654 check. This year’s checks are expected to be bigger, but haven’t been calculated yet.
Whatever the final amount is, the state is adding $1,200 each to help offset energy costs.
This one-time energy relief payout from the state treasury is the product of an energy relief package the Legislature passed two weeks ago.
It’s also driving the early distribution.
First checks normally would have been deposited Oct. 2, but earlier this week Palin said the schedule would be accelerated so residents can brace for winter fuel costs.
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Thank you Gov Palin. Your a real peach.
Thank you Governor Palin!!!
Get ready for the woe is me I didn't qualify this year group to moan and complain how unfair it is.
Thank you Gov. Palin. My family and I certainly appreciate it!
Who cares. For those of us who missed the cut off and lived here for more than a year...how does that $1200 help us? Because we moved here after January we don't even receive that? Doesn't seem too helpful for my family. It shouldn't have anything to do with the PFD.
bellasmom, your right it shouldn't have affected those people who have lived here a year and didn't qualify for the PFD. I have lived here since the mid 70's so I do qualify for the PFD. Every Alaskan resident should have received the "Energy Rebate" and it should not have been added to the PFD check. As a "rebate' we shouldn't have to pay taxes on it, but since it is included in the PFD then we will be required to pay federal income taxes on it.
I am sure there are a bunch of military residents who live in on-post housing who will receive the extra $1200 and don't have to pay for electricity, heating oil, and water. They need to fix the payments so they truly go to who needs the money.
I'm military but I agree concerning the ON post military families getting the $1200. I own a home in North Pole and pay all of the energy and heating oil costs that the civillians do yet I find it odd that those living ON post will get the extra also.
I've also read others mention how those paying rent off post and have electric and oil added in will recieve the windfall too while the rental owners have to suck up the cost of the rising fuel and electric costs.
I guess it wasn't too well thought out when the bill was written and signed.(sigh)
@BigDan: Who gets to decide what's fair and who needs what? Already there exists a divide between citizens in this state: many citizens are receiving this large sum in addition to the PFD. Some are not, despite the fact that they will also pay to heat their homes and provide for their families. They will work and suffer through the winter without this parachute.
Let me say this in no uncertain terms: to divide this payment even further would be poison to Alaska. The bad blood will persist for years and further provoke the us/them attitude that pervades this state. Let us speak no more of splitting the money up more and giving increases to those that 'need' or 'deserve' it. Instead, we should be asking the state to help all of its citizens, not just the ones who receive a PFD.
tom54. I agree, I was only pointing out the unfairness due to lack of time for the state to do it right. I am not trying split between us/them. I just feel we need to understand where OUR (Alaskans) money goes. I am military and live off-post in my own home. I have been an Alaskan resident for 10 years and plan on retiring here. It will help me some but there are those who are receiving OUR money that don't need it. The state needs to take their time and get it right before they dole out more of OUR money.
Making EVERYONE happy is an art nobody has mastered yet.
BY
My Mom
Your mom is right vodp. But i'm gonna try.... Everyone not happy with getting the 1200 dollars extra or a dividend can send them to me...and we'll all be happy. Otherwise quit yer bitching. ;)
To reiterate for those of you who just can't seem to get it:
Alaska residents are receiving a rebate on Alaska's resources. Some members of the military and their families are Alaska residents (indeed, some of us were even born here - imagine that) and as Alaska citizens and residents, we have just as much a "right" to "OUR" money as you do, BigDan, whether the "need" has been met to your standards or not (especially since "need" is not a factor in this RESOURCE REBATE).
Those that thinks it not enough money, I'll gladly take it off your hands!!!!! Thank you Gov. for the help. It will help this winter lots!!
You know...some people would gripe if they were hung with a new rope. Thank you Governor Palin for acknowledging that there was a need to offset additional costs to our families. For those who think it is a handout or welfare...donate it Love, Inc., the soup kitchen, the Salvation Army family services, the Food Bank or find out who the other people are who posted complaining they don't qualify and give them yours. Don't be tainted with such an outrageous act of welfare as to put it in your own pocket. It will be really interesting to see how many people do that when the money actually hits their hand after taking the time to post their comments here damning it.
As I stated before most will be wasted on things not really needed. I am sure Walmart and Sams will be happy.
But Kudos to the Governer and the Legislature for recognizing the need for assistance this year and stepping up with the best thing they could on short notice.
I hope people think twice before they waste it but I doubt that.
Remember the bumper sticker "please lord grant us another pipeline we promise not to piss this one away" ?
Pat
Dana Van Dam - This rebate came about because of an energy crisis we felt in the interior and outlying villages due to soaring energy prices. It is not a resource rebate because we are oil rich, that would be the PFD. I think our legislators dropped the ball when they had plenty of time to figure out how to best take care of us. Does a person living in military housing need the extra $1200 to pay for electricity, heating oil????? No, those our provided to them. Those who live off-post, like myself, who watched heating oil go from a $1 a gallon to over $4.79 are in need a energy assistance. Mine will go into my heating oil tank. if I lived on-post I would type against myself receiving it as well. I do not think it is welfare or a handout. But, some folks are really struggling and the Alaska delegates dropped the ball and did not do a good job. They slapped something together in the final hours as to appease us. We deserve better and I am sure many of us will remember that come election day. I too, thank Gov Palin for her foresight in getting the ball rolling it is just too bad they only knocked down five pins instead of rolling a strike!
Perhaps instead of giving $1200 to the bars through the wallets of the people they should invest in a new Alaska refinery to lower fuel prices and really help everyone.
All of you, and I mean everyone should really not be caping on the Military...no one has been more underpaid for so long as our US Forces and they provide a priceless service to the people of america. And if you are on here, in the military and talking smack....shame on you!!!
BigDan - Regardless of the why, the reality is it is a REBATE on Alaska's RESOURCES and as such, it belongs to everyone, not just those who pay for fuel. I'm sorry that you don't judge every Alaskan to be an equal share-holder of Alaska's resources.
$1200 is not enough money for people to become divided over. say what you will but these military people are from all over the nation and will return there when their time is up here. i hate for them to go home and tell people just how hung up we all are on a few bucks.
i am a business owner and probably pay as much tax as anyone around Fairbanks, many of my employees are military dependants and are wonderful people. they are not looking for a handout nor a free ride, in fact, i find their work ethic to be a bit better than many of the locals i have hired. i say, stop worrying about the bone that Palin is going to throw you and start worrying about how you will buy oil this winter (and next), hate to bust bubbles but $1200 is a pitiful amount these days when it comes to heating a home.
I am so sick of this dividend, heck! they can have mine if it means that much to someone. its greed folks, greed and the fear that someone else will get in on the "gravey train". i was born here, graduated college here, own a business and two homes so dont lay that "if you dont like it leave' garbage on me. sometimes i am a bit ashamed of my fellow Alaskans. these military people are protecting our lives, why not share with them?
Raquel
Big Dan & LoneWolf91
I respect your points of view and can see where your coming from, with that being said let me point out why the state didn't and shouldn't differentiate between military members living on base/post and those living off base/post getting the $1200 resource rebate. I realize this upcoming winter is going to be hard on many, many folks this reguardless if your military or civilian. However with military folks in mind, the large majority of military folks living off base/post chose to do so. The gov't pays you BAH which you are allowed to spend however you choose. If you chose a house that cost you more than you receive in BAH, well it is better than not getting any money at all for housing. On the flip side, once you PCS and sell your home, all the profits you make from selling your home goes to you, not the gov't. Those of us you living in gov't quaters do not have that to look forward to. So what it comes down to is personal preference.
As far as all those folks living out in the boonies well it didn't get expensive overnight. It has always been more expensive to live out in the rural areas of the state than in the "cities". Yet those of you still living out there are pitching a fit because you feel those living in the "cities" don't have to pay as much as you do for electricity and heating fuel and shouldn't receive the $1200 either. Well once again it comes down to personal preference.
Basicly from what I'm understanding in order to get the $1200, you have to live out in the boonies or rural villages and if that is the case you're probaly not in the military. Well we all know who lives out there. So if you're of any descent other than Native Alaskan you shouldn't be getting the extra $1200. Would this be a correct interpretation of who really "deserves" the resource rebate?
I remember a short time ago all of the "do somethiing NOW!" chanting and now your complaining. Even if they don't need the oil, the price of almost everything has gone up, even stuff from Sams and Walmart. It costs a lot more to ship it up. Thank you for listening to us, Gov. Palin!!
I just don't understand why some folks always complain about the military living on post or base, since these rules apply to all Alaskans. Not all military members are Alaska residents living on post/base, but some are. Some are in Iraq at the moment, some are not. Most are single and have no kids, some are married and have kids...just like civilians. We have our sons and daughters in the military, lots who have been born in AK. And just because they live in military family housing, it does not mean that they don't pay rent. In fact, their housing allowance is taken away to pay rent to the civilian contractors/builders who own the houses. If they choose to live off post/base, then they use their housing allowance to pay rent. Some own homes just like civilians. Some retire and buy homes just like civilians.
We have civilians in the same situation, entire families on Welfare, big Welfare families living in houses they pay little rent for. We have civilians working with the military, some in Iraq, some not. We have all sort of civilians working and living at Prudoe, and lost who don't pay rent out there, while others are. We have Alaska students living in dormitories at UAF, we have lower-48 students who have become AK residents, we have snow birds...all which will receive the same money the rest of Alaskans-including AK military members-do. We have bums, drunks, etc., in the streets receiving the same money, and on and on...
PREACH ON BROTHER RAY!!! I'M PICKING UP WHAT YOUR PUTTING DOWN!
"For those who think it is a handout or welfare...donate it Love, Inc., the soup kitchen, the Salvation Army family services, the Food Bank"
EXACTLY. Non-profits such as these and other, including the Literacy Council, Fairbanks Counseling and Adoption, Big Brother Big Sisters and so on have seen their utility costs rise as well. I used to work for a non-profit here in town, and believe me the fuel companies don't cut them a break, nor does GVEA. In fact, because non-profits can't always afford to upgrade their equipment, their costs may even be higher. So if you don't need that extra money, consider donating some or all of it to a worthy cause.
Coldblooded, All Alaska residents who qualified for the PFD this year will get the additional $1200 no matter where they live. Those that live on and off base get that ammount. As you correctly pointed out, the families living on base do not get Basic Allowance for Housing since they are receiving free housing. What both on base and off base military families share is an increase in "at the pump" costs which have doubled in the last year. Investing in a house is a risk, sometimes profitable, but sometimes the investor takes a loss, I have seen it go both ways.
Our military guests and residents make up a very small amount of the 620,000 permanent Alaska residents and should not be used as a scapegoat for those not satisfied with the Government. Of the 20,000 or so military members stationed here, only about 10% are residents, and that amounts to about $2,400,000 of the nearly $700,000,000 rebate, which is about 10% of the State budget surplus from last year or about a 5% tax refund to the residents. An additional $300 million was added to the already in place PCE, AHFC, and other programs to help the energy woes. I am more concerned with the increase to those programs' budgets than I am about the rebate since our Governor ran on a platform of limited government and what a boom the ACES oil tax plan would be to Alaskans.
For those just arriving here complaining about not meeting the requirements, I know you didn't move here just for the PFD and rebate, so don't act like that's the only reason to be an Alaskan. If oil stays above $90 then we will be in worse shape next year with a bigger surplus. The $1200 rebate was a good first step that helps 99% of Alaska residents pay the bills, (new and old). It prevented the State from launching a massive amount of new programs that require too much red tape to be beneficial to most Alaskans. Step two is in the works by the Governor's office, (I would like to say our state legislators too, but that would require them to actually do some homework).
If you have been here at least 12 months as of today you will be a qualified Alaska resident hunter and not have to spend $85 for a big game license. That being the case, you could get a total discount of over $4000 just for big game tags if you choose to hunt every big game species and took the steps required to become an Alaskan. That's a one shot deal you only get if you are a hunter. For my doctor and lawyer buddies down at the country club shooting golf: NEENER, NEENER, NEENER.
Anyone who has lived in Alaska for at least 6 months should check into the procedures of getting the $1200 stipend. I've heard there was an article printed on the subject that the $1200 is not directly tied to the AK Permanent Fund Dividend. Sorry I'm not of a lot of help but those who don't qualify for the dividend should at least check into the hoops you have to jump through for the $1200.
They should have given a certain amount per account from the many companies, GVEA, Aurora, Golden Heart etc.... that way if you pay, you get a rebate!! Lets say $800.00(more like $2000) per account. So people (military AND renters) who do not have these horrendous expenses, wont get a rebate!
My family owns many properties that pay for the heat, electric and water and our renters are gonna get the rebate, not my family with over due bills!! all by the way are up due to fuel charges.
I for one am looking forward to the rebate/pfd.
The Governor has this politics thing figured out pretty well.
If something goes wrong at the office, just expedite and add to the free money program and watch her approval ratings soar.
Alaska- The only state in the union where you get paid to simply "be a resident", I love receiving the PFD every year and will not ever waste it.
God Bless Alaska.
squarebanksmom - Depending on how your lease is worded you may be able to charge a fuel cost surcharge that directly reflects the increased costs.
i'm with you; akatrouble.
So does this mean that all the military that say there going to come back to Alaska after they leave the military still get this check also. I know of a bunch of famlies that say they are going to come back and they never do but they still get the checks every year. I dont think its right but whatever.
So skinfish....you'll be donating that tainted money where????? Or will you just post here then laugh all the way to the bank on September 12....Stand by your cause - if you think it is a bad idea donate it to someone who doesn't.
Sounds like a great idea to me. The money will come in handy.
thank you onapa i couldn't have said it better myself!!!
Spend it wisely!
At least this will be a one time only check, the legislative session in January will make sure this "rebate" never occurs again. Can see the comments next year about where is my rebate. Again if you disagree with the PFD, don't apply for it, no one is twisting your arm. Let's hear from the people who refuse to take part in the program based on their principles.
That's a lot of new guns for the Ft Wainwright Bloods and Crips......
FreeDarfur - probably right, but for the time being, it was a welcomed short reprieve. They'll have a few months to think about what they can do next session to alleviate the situation. Our society is a quick fix society - we want it all and we want it now. Our kids learn it, we expect it. Don't write letters, e-mail; don't cook from scratch, go directly to the frozen food or prepared food section; don't figure out what is causing your mood disorders, take a pill; don't walk into a bank or a pharmacy, drive through; everything is a quick fix. Maybe that is where we are going wrong. Instead of allowing the prices to go sky high, let's figure out why and fix it next time instead of putting a bandage on it and pretending it isn't there until it starts oozing again. But for now, I think they did what they could do and possibly buy some time. I hope they can use the time wisely next time and that those who are receiving a PFD and the energy resource checks will use them to prepare for the winter and the costs associated with an Alaskan winter. If not, it is their mistake and we all have the right and freedom to make our own bad choices in life. That which doesn't kill us only makes us stronger.
Skinfish is right. The early money will help everyone forget about the investigation into the Palin/Monegan issue.
I'm not saying she is right or wrong, just agreeing that the early rebate is a pretty slick political move.
Just an FYI - since the payout is in 3Q 2008 instead of the usual 4th quarter, you may want to think about making estimated tax payments to the IRS so that you avoid paying penalties and interest. If I'm not mistaken, a family of four in the 25% tax bracket could owe as much as $3300 in federal taxes. Interest and penalties could be as much as $200.
akraquel, I do agree with you. I'm thankful that I will get the $1200, it will fill up our fuel tank for at least 2 months this winter. But for $1200 it's not enough for me to whine or worry about who should get or shouldn't get, it's not much, but if it's $5k on the other hand, then I would, promise!
I just wish though that they didn't put the $1200 with the PFD together. but oh well, one way or the other, people will complain. That's the beauty of Human Being..We all are unique.
Hey everybody guess what... This is only a temporary solution that Palin came up with to help relieve inflated prices. You may not think it is fair but again this was a "TEMPORARY SOLUTION". This was put in place to give more time to come up with a long term solution that would benefit all alaskan residents (hopefully).
Attaching it to the PFD was the "easiest" way to get it distributed. I, like many others don't agree with the way that it was done however, there is nothing we can do about it now. It is very unfortunate for some and very beneficial for others. The moaning and groaning needs to stop and we need to put all of our heads together to help Palin come up with a beneficial long term plan.
THANK-YOU GOV. PALIN! FOR THE EXTRA 1200.00 AND THE EARLY RELEASE OF THE CHECKS! MANY BLESSINGS AND GOOD KARMA SENT YOUR WAY! YOU ARE AWESOME GOV. PALIN.
It has occured to me, reading these commentaries for the past weeks, that there should be a way to fill every home heating fuel tank in the state. Period. One time. That would essentially fulfill the bottom-line purpose of the "rebate/assistance/welfare check/morphine fix"...whichever you choose to call it. Those that don't need it wouldn't get it, and each property owner/manager would. Wherever you live, you'll have one tank worth of heat, and you'll need to conserve it. The check we're receiving will just fill a standard 500 gallon tank half-way. We already will need to come up with another 1000+ in order to fill up . If each tank was filled, it should last, I would imagine for most, through most of the winter. After that , we're on our own. I realize that my thought process here is geared to a single-family home, but how hard would it be to make adjustments for multi-unit buildings? Maybe a tank full for each unit...
I imagine that this would save money for the state, which could then be reassigned to the hospitals and schools.
I know this is quite oversimplified, but maybe someone with more knowledge of the ins and outs could look into it..........
akbluegirl-Some people are not on oil based heat... We are on steam heat, but our prices have gone up, on all utilities based on cost of fuel prices, so although you have a good idea, it would need to be twixed. I personally like my idea of people/rental owners who have accounts at the utility companies get a rebate... those who don't pay the bills(military on base and renters) don't get the rebate.
But as stated many times, this is already done and is 1 time only, we should be trying to come up with ideas to help/hope that this is not needed again
Renters can use this rebate just as well as any other individual. In the few years that I've rented a place here, my rent has gone up by a minimum of $50 per month each year (a couple of times it was close to $100 a month).
Just because we may not pay oil/heat bills directly does not mean that we are not feeling the effects of high energy prices.
I dont own a snowmachine or a big screen tv. I gave my three kids a boot out the door over 20 years ago. So I deserve the money more than you &you &you &you Add ifintum. So how dare you spend !!!MY!!!money
Coldblooded some of us did NOT choose to live off post. When we arrived here in Jan. 2006 we put ourselves on the housing list but the post commander at the time decided because there were more units coming up that anyone of E-7 rank was NOT to be given housing.
We couldn't rent because there was next to nothing available at the time for a family of five with two large dogs and a cat so we had to buy. Unlike SOME of the folks on post who get the PFDs we DON'T plan to move out of state. We are retiring here and NEVER moving again.:) We've become sick of it over the past 23 years.LOL
I however do know several people who collect the PFD living ON post that don't plan to stay here and instead are moving back to the states within the next few years to buy homes there because they're only insterest is collecting on the windfall. I don't mean to sound like a traitor but those are the facts that many may not be aware. I do realize there are quite a few who settle up here once their service is done but the majority leave for warmer climates.:)
I just wanted you know that in our case like others we had NO choice but to move off post and due to the lack of rentals we ha to buy but its NOT a decision we regret by any means.:) I really hate to reveal WHY some of our fellow military choose to get the PFDs because it may make the rest of us look bad but it really irks me that they boast about collecting them and then jumping ship for the lowr 48 a few years later. We're NOT all like that and I loved alaska since our first PCS move up here in 89 to fort greely.:)
STEVEN51 - wow are you greedy and angry...
Malcontent I've wondered the same thing when tax time comes in January how much will they take in taxes and such? It's a good point that I doubt few have considered.:)
There was another poster who asked how the military keep getting PFD payments although they never return to Alaska. I can answer that one for you.:)
When we PCS'd to the lower 48 from 99-2005 we made a trip up here every other year with the kids during the holiday season when school was out and spent our consecutive 3-4 days in Alaska carefully keeping track of our airline, hotel and car rental reciepts which proved to the PFD we had infact returned and the dates we were here. We HAD to have at least two of these reciepts with all of the family members on each otherwise there would be NO PFD that year. Once you reach a five year mark that you've been away they require proof that you are going to return or you LOSE future PFDs. We went rounds with the PFD office over this in dec. 2005 although we faxed them our PCS orders showing we were returning in Jan. 2006 along with documentation from branch revealing we'd been trying for years to return and documents showing we were residents etc. We ended up having to take it to the courts and WON.:) Its very difficult to keep PFDs once you leave the state even if you're military and they state very clearly IF you buy property, vote or switch your state residency you must pay back all of the PFD money they have given you/your family over the years. They're very strict about it.
To all those of you with happy smiing faces take a tour of the IRS page. First do income without the PFD and our new benovolent gift of 1200 from our governor. Then without. Tell me how happy you are. Especially the lower income, who will, with this wonderful new windfall puts you in a brand new income bracket. If you get over $500 after tax on the 1200 you are very fortunate. Some will actually lose. The happy face should be on the face of Uncle Sam.
And all of you folks who just love our Sarah because she gave us this 1200, does anyone anyone really read our constitution. It is our money not hers or the legislature.
Question: Wasn't there several folks who are now serving time who are stamped 'bought and paid' for their loyalty. hmmmm
SANTAME - yes we know it is our money but it takes the big wigs to give it to us that is why people are saying thanks cause she is the one that lobbied for us to get our money.
lonewolf91 - it is sad that the military that don't intend on staying in ak or returning to ak are able to abuse and use the system even after they are gone. That is why I say there should be harder guidlines for the PFD. This is a prime example of why military have a bad name when it comes down to getting the PFD they feel they have "rights" and "deserve" to get it. I strongly disagree with that though process. Yes I realize there are honest military members out there but to those of you that use and abuse the systems (and not just the systems in Alaska) shame on you!
Nice,
Now I can bail out a family member from jail!
santame- you are right - it's Alaska's dollars not the governor's, the legistlator's but just as an allowance is given out - someone in a higher position than the receiptant must approve. Yes?
Getreal, I think the temporary solution was because they were at the END (i'm talkin' hours) of their special session and still weren't agreeing on how to go about giving out an energy rebate. Personally I am glad it happened this way. If Govenor Palin does as good a job next year as she has done this year they will find a permanent solution.
I heard talk of a rebate that Alaskans would recieve after they paid for their fuel and I was not excited because many people, including myself, are having a hard time just coming up with the money to completely fill the tank in the first place.
For those of you who are still complaining about this 1200 dollar rebate, consider we could be in the lower 48 and not recieve a dime extra from our state government and probably be taxed more.
The only thing I am not looking forward to is the taxes come next april.
I haven't read through all the comments but can somebody please tell me why I don't qualify for the Energy Rebate? I am an Alaska Resident, Own properties and pay my taxes every year (since '03), have endured the pain of paying $4+ per gallon of gasoline and heating oil, graduated from UAF, etc. I only highlight these seemingly unrelated factors because I want to show that I have a stake in the local community and the State as a whole. I don't however file for the PFD - as to do so would imply that I intend to remain a life-long AK Resident and/or play the come back for 72 hours each year game, for continued free money. I don't intend to remain an AK Resident for life, but what has that got to do with this so-called "one-time" Energy Rebate? If anything, I need it worse than PFD Recipients - as I've received no other "free money" to offset the cost of living & working in Alaska. I should at least be able to take my receipts for heating oil totalling at least $1200 into someone for reimbursement. (I wish my heating oil bill was only $1200 last year - more like $3200). I've always considered my conviction to not file for the PFD a noble gesture (believe me, I know tons of people who have absolutely no intention of remaining residents beyond their current military tour) - but now I'm starting to question my own judgment.
Lonewolf91
Reguardless of whether you chose to live off base isn't relevant, the fact is Uncle Sugar is paying your mortage is he not? So you're still making out just fine. I think people have misconstrued what the additional $1200 is for. It isn't to offset the cost of heating oil or gas for vehicles, that is what the subsidies and eliminating the gas tax for a year are for, the additional $1200 we are getting is because Gov. Palin wanted to share the wealth with the state residents from the oil revenues. That's it. The easiest and most efficient way to determine who receives it is by PFD status. Whether I or my wife and our 7 children get the $1200 or not doesn't affect the amount you or any other resident will get. So let's drop this arguement on who deserves it and who doesn't. Because the point of view is in the eye of the beholder.
marketdaddy.
you have a good question there and if anyone has the answer I'm all ears.LOL
Its an interesting point.:)
This is our third PCS move up here and we didn't file for residency or the PFD until our 2nd trip because we weren't sure if we would be staying.
There are so many rules attached to the PFD I don't blame you for being cautious.:)
I'm looking foreard to reading any answers to your question having always been curious about it myself.:)
getreal: I could be wrong on this, but I suspect seven51 was joking. That's how I took it anyway. And if not, well, can't entirely blame him for feeling that way. It's the true Alaskan spirit.:~}
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