Alaska joins lawsuit against Park Service water regulations
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FAIRBANKS — The state of Alaska is officially a party to a lawsuit by an Anchorage man who is challenging the National Park Service’s authority to regulate activities on state-owned waters within national parks and preserves in Alaska.

U.S. District Court Judge H. Russel Holland recognized the state’s interest in a lawsuit by plaintiff John Sturgeon on Tuesday, according to a news release issued this week by Gov. Sean Parnell’s office.

Sturgeon is suing the park service for not allowing him to use a hovercraft to hunt moose on the Yukon and Nation rivers in the Yukon-Charley Rivers National Preserve east of Fairbanks.

Sturgeon claims the federal Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act of 1980 denies the park service the authority to enforce its regulations on those rivers, the same argument the state has been making for years but has never been upheld in court.

The Yukon and Nation Rivers are navigable, state-owned waterways, and hovercraft are legal under state law.

The state asked to be a party to the suit in early December in hopes of winning a ruling that would apply to all state-owned waters in areas managed by the park service.

“My administration will continue to aggressively push back on federal overreach, and efforts to control Alaskans’ ability to travel on rivers and waterways,” Parnell said in the news release Tuesday. “I am pleased the court recognized Alaska’s strong interest in this issue over the objections of the federal government to our participation in the case.”

The federal government will be required to file a response to the state’s complaint.

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Buick-Mackane
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February 18, 2012
FishinfortTuition, while I can't argue with you what the laws are now , would you agree that the federal government has used admiralty law to place itself in an immune sovereign position to create a jurisdiction way beyond the original constraints and subjects thereof at ratification - that the extent of this departure makes the suggestion that citizens themselves as vessels is not so far-fetched ?
Buick-Mackane
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February 17, 2012
FishinforTuition, Since I can anticipate more than point there , I'll just ask you - What's your point ?
FishinforTuition
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February 17, 2012
I thought it was submurged lands?

The judicial power of federal courts extends “to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction.” Art. III, §2, cl. 1. The federal courts have had a unique role in admiralty cases since the birth of this Nation, because “[m]aritime commerce was . . . the jugular vein of the Thirteen States.” F. Frankfurter & J. Landis, The Business of the Supreme Court 7 (1927). Accordingly, “[t]he need for a body of law applicable throughout the nation was recognized by every shade of opinion in the Constitutional Convention.” Ibid. The constitutional provision was incorporated into the first Judiciary Act in 1789, and federal courts have retained “admiralty or maritime jurisdiction” since then. See 28 U.S.C. § 1333(1). That jurisdiction encompasses “maritime causes of action begun and carried on as proceedings in rem, that is, where a vessel or thing is itself treated as the offender and made the defendant by name or description in order to enforce a lien.”
FishinforTuition
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February 17, 2012
Legal and lawful, power and authority...An Act, from 1789, George Washington.

SEC. 9. And be it further enacted, That the district courts shall have, exclusively of the courts of the several States, cognizance of all crimes and offences that shall be cognizable under the authority of the United States, committed within their respective districts, or upon the high seas; where no other punishment than whipping, not exceeding thirty stripes, a fine not exceeding one hundred dollars, or a term of imprisonment not exceeding six months, is to be inflicted; and shall also have exclusive original cognizance of all civil causes of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction, including all seizures under laws of impost, navigation or trade of the United States, where the seizures are made, on waters which are navigable from the sea by vessels of ten or more tons burthen, within their respective districts as well as upon the high seas; saving to suitors, in all cases, the right of a common law remedy,
Buick-Mackane
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February 17, 2012
And no offense, but I don't need a history lesson from those who cannot or will not make the distinction between " legal " and " lawful " , " power " and " authority ".
Buick-Mackane
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February 17, 2012
One one hand , you make the case that a state will no longer be a state by " law " since the federal government, by declaration , becomes a foreign enemy to it , in which it exercises it's power to attack at will and on the other, you criticize another who comes along with the notion that by " law ", the federal government declares itself a foreign government in which to attack , if by only in what is the usurpation to what is " lawful ".

As far as I'm concerned , both flyer5000 and FishinforTuition are wrong in this matter - quite wrong ( although I concede that I may not be fully understanding FishinforTuition's stance as his/her literary prowess or effort is at least lacking as mine ).
Buick-Mackane
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February 17, 2012
Correction : ' How is that not slavery ? '

And as far as Jefferson goes, I'm not sure if you are making a case that the issue of slavery was addressed ( which there is no argument by me there, just that it was not resolved without unnecessary death, destruction and prolonged slavery in more than one way , one aspect that persists ) or that the South had some earlier debt of indentured servitude owed or owed the forfeiture of a right as payment.
Buick-Mackane
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February 17, 2012
It's nice and all to beat the drum " in order to form a more perfect union " in order to deny this basic natural right while neglecting what follows in that preamble : " And secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our POSTERITY ".

So I have to ask, what liberty is there for one who has the inheritance forced upon him , left without his identity held intact, in which he has no escape without meeting the end of a bayonet ?

How is not slavery ?
Buick-Mackane
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February 17, 2012
Well, as I see it , FishinforTuition is arguing over Texan statehood as obligatory debt of involuntary servitude to the union through the sale of bonds by the cause of poverty imposed by the Union in the first place on one hand , yet argues with flyer over federal treatment of Alaska as a territory on the other.

No , FishinforTuition , I wouldn't be foolish enough to say that secession was legal, but would be wise enough to know that grand error in Salmon Chase's claim that the rights of the state and of its citizens ( of Texas and of the U.S. ) " remained unimpaired " as the claim that the right of secession of a state , on merit of it being a state , being " null and void " promotes the slavery of not having that natural right to remove oneself intact ( whether state, territory, etc. ) from an abusive and " usurpative " government.

CONT :
Pearl=W
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February 17, 2012
In the end, the State's participation is just a Grandstand Gesture, throwing away the State's time and $$$ for political [popular] support - - - because it's not going to make a single oz of difference. The Feds have, and will retain enforcement powers.

I, for one, will not mind in the least if hovercraft disappear entirely from our waterways. Sorry power-sports and mechanized hunting fans, but those things are nasty!
flyer5000
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February 17, 2012
Here you go fishinfortuition: From the Submerged Lands Act of 1953, whicnh gives Alaska title to some but not all submerged lands for some but not all purposes.

You might observe that 1953 was prior to statehood. Not that your argument held water even if it wasn't.

§ 1314. Rights and powers retained by the United States; purchase of natural resources; condemnation of lands

(a) The United States retains all its navigational servitude and rights in and powers of regulation and control of said lands and navigable waters for the constitutional purposes of commerce, navigation, national defense, and international affairs, all of which shall be paramount to, but shall not be deemed to include, proprietary rights of ownership, or the rights of management, administration, leasing, use, and development of the subsurface lands and natural resources which are specifically recognized, confirmed, established, and vested in and assigned to the respective States and others by section 3.
FishinforTuition
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February 17, 2012
Yea sure,

Holding Water? Now theres a concept, from the Corrupt Bastards Club?

Can we get another study, of why the rejects always get a government job too?

Who gives out the Tickets for fun, joyriding on the Federal Dime?

http://www.gloucestertimes.com/local/x638263511/Report-details-abuses-of-NOAA-pleasure-boat-bought-with-fines
flyer5000
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February 17, 2012
"Essentially, defendant’s (Wilde's) argument is that unless the United States owns the river bed itself, the United States cannot oversee, administer, or maintain navigable waters that undisputedly run through the boundaries of a National Park and Preserve. Defendant would ask the court to ignore the proprietary jurisdiction of the NPS and the public policy expressed through Congressional statute that requires the NPS to ensure that waters are maintained for the benefit of Alaskans and the Nation. Defendant has offered no statutory or other authority to support this result. The motion to dismiss on the basis of lack of jurisdiction of the NPS over rivers flowing through the Yukon-Charley River Preserve is DENIED. IT IS SO ORDERED."
Crabgrass
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February 17, 2012
Keep in mind folks that the magistrate "judge" who entered the order is only a part time judge who works as a lawyer the rest of the week, and has less time practicing law in Fairbanks than a lot of the other lawyers in the town. So don't put a lot of weight on his opinion or decision.
islandliver
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February 17, 2012
I see our resident lawyers are still tossing out lots of stuff for the readers to accept as knowledgeable legal opinions from the self taught.

And in this instance like a few others the findings of the court will not matter for the sale experts will continue to only view their knowledge as superior to that of the court.

Wilde already lose his case yet the issue is still brought back so some can tell us how they would have won the case.
oldowl
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February 17, 2012
continued - The court gave the property and commerce clause as their justifications for the 1999 decisions. This decision is available online to read as Carl Brown and Harold Armstrong vs. NPS.

I am happy NPS is in Alaska to keep this from becoming the overdeveloped state like Parnell comes from.
oldowl
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February 17, 2012
Some applicable statutes:

16USC1a-2h: authorizes NPS to promulgate and enforce regulations concerning boating and other activities on or relating to water located within areas of the National Park System."

16USC1B(1): NPS authorized to use appropriated funds for "rendering of emergency, rescue, fire fighting and cooperative assistance to nearby law enforcement and fire prevention agencies for related purposes outside the National Park System."

ANILCA, Title XIII, paragraph 139: ""Nothing in this Act shall be construed as limiting or restricting the power and authority of the United Stateor...

1)as affecting in any way any law governing appropriation or use of or Federal right to , water on lands within the state of Alaska..."

A district court case in 1999 decided in favor of NPS on "whether the National Park Service may regulate commercial tour boat operations on Rainy Lake within Voyageurs National Park." The Supreme Court refused to hear an appeal in 2000.

Crabgrass
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February 17, 2012
Looks like the Kool Aid drinkers are alive and well!
KodiakDodge
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February 17, 2012
They need to do the same thing for trails that were established before the park service as well. I believe they are RS2477. State says they can still be used but the park says they will arrest you if you are on those trails with a vehicle.
oldowl
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February 17, 2012
Trails that are within a designated "wilderness" area within the parks do not allow motorized vehicles by law to protect the land.
Buick-Mackane
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February 17, 2012
No, Lincoln decided to enslave us all with his violations against the Constitution and more importantly, natural rights - the right of secession being the first.
FishinforTuition
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February 17, 2012
Really?

So Jefferson buys the real estate, and you believe secession is legal?

Texas v White, Salmon P. Chase for the confused...

"And thus was borne the rebel state of Texas..."

Why exactly did the Terror Of the Union Army get sent to Texas to Enforce the 14th Amendment of 1868, in 1865?

Why did Jefferson have a Republican Lawyer named Granger, and Lincoln on his Presidential Cabinet?

My God the Ignorance in this State is unbelievable.

FishinforTuition
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February 17, 2012
Oh and by the way Buick,

Real Americans, ran North just like General Washington did 1776.

Those Virginians, who understood what America "IS" also ran North in 1861.

The Traitors, our Democratic Party, yours truly all stayed South, looser's forever...

"Like a Fire Bell in the Night....

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/jefferson/159.html
Buick-Mackane
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February 17, 2012
So FishinforTuition, as one could see, it wasn't resolved in the Senate during Lincoln's tenure , and as the likes of Fredrick Douglass , Lysander Spooner and others pointed out , that it could have been shown that the Constitution was anti-slavery and that all those lives lost were due to ulterior motives.
Buick-Mackane
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February 17, 2012
correction - should read : '... not engaged in commercial efforts...' , not ' non-commercial , concerning my response to flyer5000
Buick-Mackane
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February 17, 2012
HYount09, I think you are right . I think it is exactly why the state chose to join the Sturgeon case.
Buick-Mackane
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February 17, 2012
" We show our sympathy with slavery by emancipating slaves where we cannot reach them and holding them in bondage where we can set them free. " - William Seward , concerning the Emancipation Proclamation
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