School district layoffs loom: Educators urge Legislature to approve per-student increase
by Matt Buxton/mbuxton@newsminer.com
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FAIRBANKS — Educators from Fairbanks and across Alaska on Monday urged state lawmakers to make a modest bump in education funding to stave off teacher layoffs.

The Senate Education Committee heard testimony from teachers, administrators and parents before advancing a measure that would increase per-student funding $125 the first year, to $5,805; $130 the second year, to $5,935; and $135 the third year, to $6,070.

The measure, Senate Bill 171, crafted by the Education Committee, is aimed at helping schools deal with rising fixed costs.

The proposed budget Gov. Sean Parnell submitted late last year included flat funding that, when combined with declining federal funding, has put districts across the state in a tough spot. Officials at the Juneau school district recently announced they would have to cut more than 66 positions.

Even if the Legislature passes a $125 increase this year, it’s not expected to cover the needs of everyone. According to testimony, the Matanuska-Susitna Borough School District is slated to lose about 160 positions, but that number would be reduced to 130 if the measure passes.

The Fairbanks North Star Borough School District will release its proposed budget Wednesday, and it’s expected to contain deep cuts. In testimony, Superintendent Pete Lewis told the committee the measure won’t save every position but it will make a difference. Fairbanks has a budget of $181 million — $116 million in state funds — with an estimated $12 million shortfall.

“In Fairbanks, we’re looking at significant cuts to our budget,” he said. “These cuts will affect both people and programs, and the $125 increase will not cover the deficit but it will make a difference and will allow us to maintain reasonable class sizes and hopefully restore some positions that we may have to cut.”

The measure advanced out of the Senate Education Committee with strong support but faces an uncertain future outside the Senate.

Senate President Gary Stevens, R-Kodiak, said he believes the bill, with its “realistic” increases, should be enough to find support from the House and from the governor. The measure would cost about $33 million in the first year, $32 million in the second and

$33 million for the third.

House Speaker Mike Chenault, R-Nikiski, on Monday said he believes the Legislature likely will pass some kind of education funding increase this session, but he declined to say what form that might take.

Last year, the Legislature passed $20 million in funding that was distributed among districts to meet rising energy costs, but Chenault said he’s not a fan of that kind of year-to-year funding.

“I don’t like the one-time shot, but it was an opportunity to put some into education,” he said. “Each year they continue to grow, and for us to say K-12 doesn’t get any increase is just wrong.”

House Democrats have been vocal supporters for increasing base student allocation.

SB171 moves onto the Senate Finance Committee next.
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Edward_S._Paxson
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February 06, 2012
If Fairbanks has a budget of $181 million and we have say 10,000 students (exact number?) then we spend $18,100 per student....Sounds like the tuition of a high end private school in a rich town.
FUMOMMA
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January 31, 2012
So if it cost more to heat and provide electricity for your school then flat funding doesn't work. Does the Governor get more money to heat the capital? Is that costing more? Well then they shouldn't get donuts and coffee the temperature should be 68 degrees in the building and they should have to stay at a 1 star hotel.

(o)v(o)
akflurry
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February 01, 2012
Well said. Also, I don't think class sizes of 28 is what I would call reasonable.
WishIWasAsSmartAsAllYou
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January 31, 2012
@ really_wow

Embarrassed huh? Have you ever heard the "don't shoot the messenger" saying? Well the teachers are the messengers. Don't condemn them for what their supervision (i.e. School District and lawmakers, Juneau and DC)are MANDATING that they do. The curriculum they teach, the programs they implement are mandated to them.

Why is it when gas prices go up, we don't get mad at the local gas station? We get mad at the oil companies themselves...seems reasonable. However, when the school system seems to be failing, we take aim at the people on the front lines, not at the real targets so to speak. Most of us have a supervisor, and like it or not we do what we are expected, agree with them or not.

And everyone...these people earn their money! I absolutely agree that they deserve some sort of raise, but that's not the big picture here, there's more about this contract than "money"! Take some time and learn the real issues and understand them before you judge.
really_wow
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January 31, 2012
Yes, Embarrassed by all 3.

Yes, Ashamed of all 3.

No, not messengers....

FUMOMMA
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January 31, 2012
How bout this flaming tire around your neck... There are a lot more state employees getting the same benefits as teachers, guess who is footing the bill? Funding comes from the state with the rest from federal then we got local property taxes which do go to eduction (bonds and such).

Right&Left
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January 31, 2012
just a thought. Student to teacher ratio's are averaged to include all classes from special ed, AP, K-12.
AKbychoice
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January 31, 2012
It would be nice if the newsminer would publish the current teacher salary scale so folks could see just how much we are paying them. Summers off, Holidays off, Christmas break, spring break, a 180 day a year school calendar. It's a pretty sweet deal. I get sick of hearing them whine for more. I would bet they make a far sight more than most of the folks paying their salary.
snow_ball
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January 31, 2012
That's just part of the story. The generous retirements are a flaming tire around the taxpayer's necks.

I would love to see a very detailed copy of the district's budget to see where cuts can be made. I friend used to work for the school district and spoke of the incredible waste of itms that were bought, sat on the shelf, and then thrown away later. Vehicles left idling for the entire day consuming gas. Remodels that could have been put off longer. I'd like to see a complete budget.
fspab3
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January 31, 2012
All that information is easily found on the FNSBSD website. It doesn't say individuals but it does list what they would be paid per year for what education they have.

http://www.k12northstar.org/departments/hr/salary-information
Thayer
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January 31, 2012
Actually, teachers' salaries come from oil revenue so...I'm sure they're not making more than them. There are federal programs and some is subsidized by individual tax dollars but the majority come from black gold (Texas Tea)
ctf77
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January 31, 2012
In each school district, what is the "student to teacher ratio" and what is the "student to administrator or staff" ratio?

cbaker1967
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January 31, 2012
i went to teachersalaryinfo.com and found alaska. the site showed a list of all the districts student to teacher ratios for the state. this ratio is an indicator of the teaching staff only normally and shouldn't include admin or maintenance staff. the site also showed the average salary and ranked that salary accross the nation. fairbanks is 18:1, anchorage 17:1, kenia 17:1, juneau 15:1, galena is the worst at 59:1. the list goes on.
snow_ball
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January 31, 2012
Oddly enough, I too got hit with higher costs last year. I couldn't go begging my neighbors for more money. So now I must find ways to make my income work out.

The public has the memory of an Irish Setter. Well, when we take "free" federal money for education, and grow into that budget, then when the Fed $$ infusion is over, we wonder -- what happened? Next time Fed $$ comes along, either say "no thanks", or put a big sticky-note on your forehead to remember the money goes away, so don't get used to whatever wonderful illusion it funded.

Layoffs are a way of life in Obama's New Economy. Just ask my two brother-in-laws who have been out of work since March.

School districts need to learn to let things wear out more, and do with less of everything. Three freinds of mine went to 1-room schoolhouses, and are millionaires. Didn't hurt them not having fancy schools, sports, gyms, etc.

Fix it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without!
cbaker1967
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January 31, 2012
here's an idea, why dont we look at this.

fairbanks employs approximately 805 full time teachers with an average salary of 60K. the student to teacher ratio is approximately 18:1. data taken from teachersalaryinfo.com.

from what i remember in school i never had a class smaller than 20. so why don't we consider raising or class size to approximately 20:1, for example.

that would mean that approximately 80 teachers can get laid off. at the average salary (60K)with benifits (90K)the savings would be approximately 7.2 million anually. that would reduce to approximately $497 increase for each student without raising the budget.

why should we continue to pay the teachers more and require less. granted they put the time in during the school year but they have an extended vacation during the summers. continuing to throw money at this problem is not the solution. alaska teachers are rated 3rd in the nation for salary and our education is rated 47th in the nation.
Plebeian
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January 31, 2012
I would wager that there are some additional details required.

There are certainly a subset of full time teachers dedicated to special education issues, and that may skew the average class sizes, since these students often require much more time from educators. This would falsely impact the student to teacher ratio.

Just a thought.
cbaker1967
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January 31, 2012
to plebeian,

yes your right, however in statistics you have outliers in your data, thats an example of one extreme. the web site i got my info from gave a ratio of 59:1 for Galena. what i was pointing out is just a simple analysis as an example that maybe the layoffs won't be such a bad thing. im sure that with any government run agency "school districts" will not be a true example of efficiency. with that, i'm sure we can cut some fat and make do with our current budgets without the need to throw more money at them.
islandliver
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January 31, 2012
Just once I'd like to read any of our posters organizing a wage reduction by their own employers. After all if everyone reduced their wages the affect would be to lower the cost of everything in Fairbanks.

Now of to the next fantasy: Oil companies will provide free heating oil to all Alaskans.
really_wow
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January 31, 2012
The Legislature, the school districts, the teachers have had the success of putting a whole new definition to the word education....

Not one example of the 3 to be proud of.....

Ashamed of all 3.

Embarrassed by all 3.

Canada308
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January 31, 2012
Live like the rest of us, is what I've heard a lot of...Yes thats right our teachers make millions of dollars and all drive RangeRovers, oh wait thats right they don't. They all work beyond the required amount in there contract.

Right but they are putting the needs of themselves before our future our Kids right, Well actually no the FNSBSD has not been able to produce a contract in over a year now that the teachers feel would be acceptable, since the teachers have been working for a year without a contract. So yeah the teachers have no right to be mad at all, I love to go to work not having a contract to work makes me feels needed and wanted too.

Also really who ever said teachers just get GED, wow seriously I have 6 aunts and uncles and a mom who are all teachers and all have at least a B.A plus additional training and some have masters degrees. So yeah thats right you should probably make a huge blanket statement about how all teachers are lazy and none are smart yeah that is suc
FUMOMMA
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January 31, 2012
Yes teachers back off and FIRE that new PR guy you hired!! Why are you wasting money on him when you could hire a teacher to lower the PTR? You teachers always rolling in the money, and you just go from GED to teacher freaking EASY. Just like the cop, firegurls and the such, walk in homeless off the street with 0 experience and make 100k a year.

YOU NEED TO SACRIFICE!! YOUR JOBS ARE TOO EASY & YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING! I HEAR MONKEYS ARE BETTER THAN YOU! YOU SHOULD BE PAYING US TAXPAYERS!! BLAH BLAH BLAH!
fspab3
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January 31, 2012
Are you kidding me? There are not any teachers that make 100k a year teaching. A teacher with a masters only starts at 47k a year. The most a teacher can make is about 81k after 15 years. On top of it all a teacher is required to continue their education in order to keep their license. Want to see what a teacher makes? Go to the link and click certified salary. Then go and spend just a day with a teacher and see how many hours they put in. So please next time bite your tongue before making such asinine comments.

http://www.k12northstar.org/departments/hr/salary-information
Balderdash1
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January 31, 2012
Wow take a pill dude cause your way out there. Our Oil bought Govenor wants to give big oil tax breaks and cut education. Lay the blame where it should be at the feet of our government.
Thayer
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January 31, 2012
People are actually spending time replying to this writer? The "BLAH BLAH BLAH" at the end should be a clear sign.
FUMOMMA
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January 31, 2012
LAYOFF ALL TEACHERS

LET ADMIN STAFF TEACH ALL STUDENTS

NEXT DNM HEADLINE "FAIRBANKS STUDENTS FAIL"

HIRE MOKEYS TO PERFORM ADMIN DUTIES & TEACH STUDENTS

NEXT DNM HEADLINE "FAIRBANKS STUDENTS IMPROVE"

NEXT DNM HEADLINE "FAIRBANKS STUDENTS NEXT DNM HEADLINE "CLOSING DMN DUE TO LACK OF INTEREST"

NEXT DNM HEADLINE "MONKEYS TO HEAD INTEREST SURVEY"

NEXT DNM HEADLINE "MONKEY FECES BAD"
akteacher
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January 31, 2012
At least in the Fairbanks situation let's hope the superintendent finally thinks about students and cuts admin (especially his new Public Relations position) and keeps teachers!
hiker1
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January 31, 2012
Teachers/Unions---its time they back off and live like the rest of us have to. Look what they are trying to do in Wisconsin.
Canada308
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January 31, 2012
Wisconsin is a JOKE and if you think that is what should happen in Alaska, you should probably just go to Wisconsin where no one can bargain with the state over anything work related, sounds like a great pace similar to oh i don' know Cuba.
blackwood72
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January 31, 2012
"modest bump"

Why would the News Miner send Mr. Buxton to Juneau to cover state government? This reporter cannot even keep his opinion out of the lead, and I'm expected to take the rest of the article as journalism?

2UncleRemus
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January 31, 2012
And the tar baby said unto the legislature, "Oh, my God! If you don't give me more tar my dead wood well fall."

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