Proposal may restore public workers’ pensions
by Matt Buxton / mbuxton@newsminer.com
Jan 27, 2012 | 4169 views | 15 15 comments | 5 5 recommendations | email to a friend | print
FAIRBANKS — Lawmakers are developing a way to restore a guaranteed monthly pension for state employees that won’t cost the state more money, according to financial experts who testified in Juneau on Thursday.

The proposal would shift some one-time costs to employees and make minor increases in the monthly amounts employees pay into the Public Employees Retirement System.

The state stopped offering a monthly guaranteed pension to newly hired public employees in 2006 and instead began offering set contributions to their retirement accounts. The change outraged public employee groups, which have been fighting to restore the “defined benefits” system ever since.

William Fornia, an actuary who is working with the bill’s sponsors, testified that the proposed revisions, which still are going through financial analysis by the state, won’t increase the government’s costs.

“We’re pretty confident with the goal of the sponsor to be cost neutral,” Fornia said. “Based on some preliminary calculations, we think we should get there.”

Introduced by Sen. Dennis Egan, D-Juneau, the measure would give employees the option of enrolling in a defined-benefit system. The system would pay guaranteed retirement benefits linked to the length of employment, similar to what was in place for much of Alaska’s history, Egan said.

Worried by $11 billion in unfunded liabilities from older defined-benefit programs, the state shifted to defined-contribution system in 2006.

Under the defined-contribution system, employees pay into a 401k-style plan, which has some investment options but no guaranteed payout. The plan saves the state money because it shifts risk of investment to the employee, but without guaranteed retirement benefits, employees have little incentive to stay in the state, opponents argue.

According to some testimony, the changes caused an exodus of young teachers, firefighters and police officers to better retirement packages in the Lower 48.

Egan said the goal is to give Alaska-trained employees a reason to stay in Alaska.

“Defined benefits take a long time to earn but requires service to the state,” he said.

The most recent iteration of Egan’s legislation would reduce the costs incurred by the state if employees under the current defined-contribution system upgraded to the proposed defined-benefit system.

Originally, Egan’s bill would have had the state cover an increased costs, estimated to be as much as $120 million.

Under the latest revision, the employees would have to pay that difference or start with a smaller accounts and work to make up the difference.

There is also a slight bump up in the percentage of salary that employees would have to pay into their pensions.

Deputy Commissioner of Administration Mike Barnhill, who has overseen the state’s analysis of the proposed changes, said the changes do a lot to reduce costs.

Those costs have drawn resistance to the proposal from the administration. During an October hearing in Fairbanks, Barnhill stressed that even if a plan could be cost-neutral, an unfunded liability could be introduced at a later date.

On Thursday, however, Barnhill said, while he still had work to be done, he was optimistic about the progress made on the measure.

“I believe we’re very close,” he said. “I believe they’re on the right path — I believe there are some things we need to discuss — I believe we’re closing in on it.”

Contact staff writer Matt Buxton at 459-7544.
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sophiejj99
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January 27, 2012
When the system was changed to defined contribution I thought that finally someone in the state mgt system was thinking. Pay what it takes to maintain and keep good, competent employees while they are working. This can be a combination of hourly wage, health coverage and "defined contribution" to a retirement system. If they decide to go then you are done with them. You compensated them fairly while they were working for you. Their retire account is their responsibility and theirs to manage and goes with them. They can use money managers as they choose, group with others if necessary. Most of private enterprise functions this way. They are responsible for their own retirement. Nothing is guaranteed in life. A local union "Defined Benefit" plan is under funded. As a private employer employing members of this union I now am required to pay a surcharge on hours to help make up the diff. of the under funded acct. The State of AK should not be making guarantees placed on future generations.
salmonstripper
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January 27, 2012
And that day well come.
chena13
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January 27, 2012
Worried by $11 billion in unfunded liabilities

from older defined-benefit programs, ...

no more permanent fund for you ..
salmonstripper
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January 27, 2012
Changing back to something we can't afford doesn't,sound conservative.
islandliver
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January 27, 2012
Having been here when some of the same legislators were adamant about redoing the retirement system to what it now is, I believe them when they now say there are problems with recruitment and retention. These are some of the most conservative legislators that have ever served. When they are concerned and will to change the system back I have to accept their concerns as valid.
FairbanksOptimist
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January 27, 2012
Egan and Wielechowski (the bill sponsers) are the two "most conservative legislators that have ever served"?

Ya think?

The two legislators that have been most controlled by state employees would be more accurate.
JustWatching
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January 27, 2012
Can someone tell me the number of Tier I/II/III retirees that have remained in Alaska?

Is it even 50%
FairbanksOptimist
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January 27, 2012
Exactly. And maybe do some checks on the retirees that claim to still be in Alaska. Save some PFD money while we are at it.
salmonstripper
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January 27, 2012
when other states go broke well have all the workers we need.Leave it alone!!!
FairbanksOptimist
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January 27, 2012
According to some testimony, the changes caused an exodus of young teachers, firefighters and police officers to better retirement packages in the Lower 48.

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Why do I get the feeling that we will never see the data that backs this claim up?
twain
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January 27, 2012
Its time we got rid of Mike Kellys folly and returned state employees back to a real retirement system rather than this 401k stock market scam.
salchaguy
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January 27, 2012
now we targeting closer to the reason for the new vehicle tax proposal
just-saying
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January 27, 2012
Really bad idea. This bill should be defeated. (Solve the current several billion PERS debt before adding to it!)

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Dogwatcher
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January 27, 2012
Read all the lit on this one. It cost will less than the Savings Account plan they now get and the turn over will be far less. Gee the borough said they were a perpetual training mode as is the troopers and other agencies. They get trained and leave for Defined Benefit plans in the Private sector or lower 48.

Remember the high out of work rate will be over by 2017. And these employees don't get Social Security.

The Dumb Notion of 401 Savings perpetrated by GW Bush and Mike Kelly is false. Those savings keep getting robbed by the 3-5% Management costs at Banks and their Depressions caused by lousy Finance Managers ripping off the stockholders by paying themselves huge bonuses. The Corporation Boards are made up of Management and give F-all about the common stockholders or other funds.

Creepy isn't it!
FairbanksOptimist
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January 27, 2012
They get trained and leave for Defined Benefit plans in the Private sector

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Hate to break this to you but virtually no (non-union) private company have Defined Benefit plans.

Want ot guess what the reason for that is?
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