Hunters, biologists take sides on antlerless moose hunts around Fairbanks
by Sam Friedman / sfriedman@newsminer.com
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Don Young, Fairbanks area biologist with the Department of Fish and Game, presents the department s Intensive Management program for moose in game management unit 20A to a standing room only crowd Thursday evening, Jan. 19, 2012. More than 225 people filled the room and spilled out into the lobby of Pikes Waterfront Lodge for a meeting of the Fairbanks Fish and Game Advisory Committee. They met to take public comment on the future of antlerless moose hunts in game management units 20A and 20B around Fairbanks.
Don Young, Fairbanks area biologist with the Department of Fish and Game, presents the department's Intensive Management program for moose in game management unit 20A to a standing room only crowd Thursday evening, Jan. 19, 2012. More than 225 people filled the room and spilled out into the lobby of Pikes Waterfront Lodge for a meeting of the Fairbanks Fish and Game Advisory Committee. They met to take public comment on the future of antlerless moose hunts in game management units 20A and 20B around Fairbanks.
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FAIRBANKS — More than 200 hunters with perhaps as many opinions were at Pike’s Waterfront Lodge Thursday night for a meeting about the antlerless moose hunt in the Fairbanks area.

No vote was taken Thursday, but the Fairbanks Fish and Game advisory committee took testimony and heard a presentation from biologists in anticipation of a vote early next month.

The time frame for public comments is still open. 

The antlerless hunt results in the harvest of about 600 mainly female moose in game management units 20A and 20B around Fairbanks. It is designed to keep moose populations from exceeding sustainable levels for the habitat. Critics say killing the cows is reducing the moose population too fast.

The hunt must be authorized each year by at least three of four advisory committees. In addition to Fairbanks, other advisory committees are for Delta, Minto-Nenana and Middle-Nenana areas.

Before the Fairbanks committee began taking testimony, Alaska Department of Fish and Game biologists Don Young and Tory Hollis gave recommendations for re-authorizing the hunt. They said moose populations were at a higher level in the Fairbanks area than anywhere else — at a density of two moose per square mile in places. The population is not as well-fed because of this density, they said.

Hunters, many with decades of experience, then took turns coming to the microphone. Some told stories of seeing too few moose recently, others too many.

Some testimony questioned the reliability of the state’s aerial moose surveys.  

“It reminds me of Piglet and Pooh walking in circles,” said Dirk Nelson, a hunter who argued the antlerless moose hunts have lowered the population and should not be re-authorized.

Another common thread was hunters who said they supported the antlerless hunt because it gave them access to affordable meat. Lance Nelson said he works construction during the summer and is not easily able to take a week off in September to go hunting. Others praised the accessibility of road system hunts.

Rules change?

While it’s taken three of the four area advisory committees to approve the antlerless hunt in the past, Young said there has been some talk at the state Board of Game this year of re-interpreting these rules.

Now being discussed is a possibility that an advisory committee should not be able to influence reauthorization of a hunt if the advisory committee area is not within the boundaries of the game management unit.

For Fairbanks that would mean the local advisory committee would not influence the decision for unit 20B because it is across the Tanana River.  

The possible change only came up this week and the Fairbanks advisory committee is still taking comments for both units 20A and 20B, Young said.

Contact staff writer Sam Friedman at 459-7545.
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GeeWhiz
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January 24, 2012
More moose to take for personal use is the object of the Intensive Management program that ADF&G is doing. Looks like it is working! Shooting a cow or calf is payback for a program well run and harvesting more moose for people to use is the object. People that were against shooting does back east are old news. If you want to level out or reduce a population of critters you need to take some of the females. Just makes sense.
pru
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January 20, 2012
why so NASTY?
Graybeard
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January 20, 2012
Moose meat has less cholesterol than beef. Last two years, short drive, one 45-70 shell. Processed it at home. Can't get much cheaper than that. Those two Moose have fed three families for the last two years. We still have some in the freezer. Sure been a lot less Moose/car collisions since the Cow Hunts have been in affect. How many human lives has that saved? Just think it could have been your son, daughter, mother, father, wife, or just the friend next door. We need to protect this great source of protein.
Capt_Boblo
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January 20, 2012
Okay, get mad if you have to. Our species has reached a point in our evolution where hunting and gathering are no longer necessary. It's time to put away our spears, bows & arrows, and Weatherbys, and stop pretending that our survival involves shooting anything that moves in the forest. As a card-carrying carnivore, I can assure you that a wide variety of meats is readily available at several locations in Alaska. Killing off the Animal Kingdom for your own sustinence is foolish and selfish. Killing cows is beyond senseless. It's time to ban all hunting and trapping.
50mile
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January 20, 2012
You belong in California!!
snowmagnolia
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January 20, 2012
When Fred Meyer's starts selling moose or caribou, I'll think about hanging up my rifle.

Until then, I'll continue to hunt.
fishnhunter
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January 20, 2012
Capt boblo you must be a democrat, because you obviously know what's best for all the rest of us.

Hunters in the lower 48 have been harvesting doe's for ages, in some places it's even MANDATORY you take a doe before you can kill a buck, and the whitetail and mule deer are just fine. I've not personally taken a cow (yet), and haven't tried, but would have absolutely no problem with it. If the numbers support it, harvest the animals.
Snow&Ice
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January 20, 2012
What about all these so called "hunters" shooting cows with calves. It happens every single year without fail and what is done about it. The answer Nothing. We called in about a man who shot a cow with twin calves, yes this years calves, he shot one of the twin calves and left the other to starve to death less then 100 ft. from the gut piles. Guess what we were told on the phone, "Well, that's too bad but we don't have enough staff to investigate." and that went on all summer! If this hunt continues perhaps hunters should have to attend some kind of class to learn about how cows hide their calves ect. Also I have a question this hunt is suppose to be for barren cows but months after rut how are you suppose to know which cow is barren since most of them should be pregnant? And on a last note this may be just coincidence but since the cow hunt we have not been able to get a bull, there just are no cows in the valley to call them it.
robir8
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January 20, 2012
Did you attempt to salvage the calf's meat?
skijor
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January 20, 2012
And people shoot taxi cab drivers. We should ban people from riding in taxi cabs.
teapartypatriot_2
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January 20, 2012
My wife and I start four wheeling and using our track vehicle in March. We go on many trips, but mostly into the Shaw Creek area. We used to see 5 to 12 moose each time, but last year we saw none. The willow that is usually eaten was not eaten. The tracks were gone and the droppings were gone.

There is no cow season there. Where did the moose go?
akhunter
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January 20, 2012
Like I said last time. Keep the cow hunt. I love hunting and I love providing moose for my family and if it comes down to shooting a cow moose then so be it. I still keep the freezer full and it is a much easier and safer hunt then going out for a bull. Unless you burn the gas in road hunting. I have hunted for 20 years and have shot 19 moose. 1 was a cow and out of those 18 bulls the biggest one was 55 inches. I hunt for the meat not the horns.

Also Cow moose hunts are not hurting the Bull population. When I was cow hunting last year I saw over 20 bulls in a weeks time. They are there you just have to know how to call them in.

I think the biggest complaint right now is last year on September 20th it was still over 70 above out and nothing moves when it is that warm out. They should really look at changing the season from the 1-15 to the 15-30th. There would be less waste of moose. If you are 2 days down a trail your moose may not make it back due to the weather.
johnwd
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January 20, 2012
I drew an antlerless permit this fall for the Little Chena Drainage. Walked in to hunt, shot a nice cow, my son and I packed it out, we processed and packed the meat as a family, and still have half a freezer full of meat. I'd guess I have under fifty dollars invested in a lot of moose meat, mostly for freezer bags. These antlerless hunts are great because they are accessible and are helping control the moose population. I am also a wildlife biologist by training and support the science behind ADF&G's decision making. Anecdotal reports from guys that are in the woods a couple times a year and believe they don't see as many moose as they used to don't really carry much weight. Fish and Game has trained biologists that estimate moose populations over a very large area and have years of historical data to compare to. If you want a healthy moose population, let Fish and Game do what they do best.
lmcl123
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January 20, 2012
johnwd,

Excellent post.. good to hear from people that complete the whole process from A to Z by theirselves. It's a great family experience. I had a younger coworker help me with processing a caribou this year. He thanked me for "letting him help". He said that he missed doing this with his family since growing up an leaving home. GLTY
akiceman25
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January 24, 2012
"let fish and game do what they do best"???

Yes, the salmon runs in the Yukon sure proves otherwise.... ADFG allowed constant commercial overharvest for years and now the subsistence fishermen are told to eat the chum...

Some might have issue with ADFG's decisions based on the past.
AKvet
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January 20, 2012
What stellar reporting news miner...

For Fairbanks that would mean the local advisory committee would not influence the decision for unit 20B because it is across the Tanana River.  

20A is across the river NOT 20B ... Dont these articles get edited and fact checked before they are published I'm starting to think no. Children in middle school journalism classes wrote better articles than the news miner.
bukuof
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January 20, 2012
If this is all about controling the population, leave the cows alone and then do not snare the bears.
passiton
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January 20, 2012
This is the first year I have actually put in for a cow moose permit. Why? So I can feed my family. Hell of a lot cheaper and a hell of a lot healthier. Cow moose hunters are obviously after the meat and not a trophy. Something that should be appreciated. Oh.....and moose tastes good too!
snowpatrol
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January 20, 2012
You people are silly, godless and judgemental. How in any possible method is beef less expensive than a self harvested animal who will feed a family of 4 for an entire year and cost in the vicinity of $1 for the bullet that took it?

A moose is a moose, not a person. If you can't tell the difference between animals and humans your probably so far off you'll never understand.

Dodo birds were highly inefficient and lucky to survive as long as they did. Moose, on the other hand, are like fish in water, birds in air, they are extremely well suited to their environment.
mileder
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January 20, 2012
snowp - If all you spend is "in the vicinity of $1 for the bullet" then fine. I've shot moose on my own property so I know what that's like, though it's been a long time. A successful hunt is way more likely if you buy a plane or a river boat, take a week off from work and buy a bunch of gas and food. Oh, and don't forget the expense of paying someone else to butcher and package the meat. Harvesting moose in that way is anything but cheap.
flaming_liberal
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January 20, 2012
You guys are crazy. I bought some super wham zamie ammo for my .338 and put two rounds into a big bull. He went down hard. I had him processed, paid my portion of fuel and food and then averaged it all out to just under $4 per pound of meat. Well worth it to me. And for the record: if its processed right, moose tastes better than any cow I've eaten and it is much healthier.
blue5011
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January 20, 2012
mileder, you must be part of the 1% if you can afford "a plane or a river boat, take a week off from work and buy a bunch of gas and food".

mileder
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January 20, 2012
Ah ha ha- good one blu. I've never owned a river boat or a plane. Or a 4-wheeler, for that matter. My point was that it's much harder to have a successful hunt without all the motorized accessories, all of which drive up the price per pound of the packaged meat. I had to give up moose hunting when my back got too old to pack out the rear quarters.
jprhedd
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January 20, 2012
Why not slaughter all the moose including the babies? Apparently people are starving in the streets. When moose go the way of dodo birds will you mighty hunters be satisfied?
goo-man
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January 20, 2012
Instead of hunting moose, why don't these jokers just go to the grocery store and buy beef? It's a hell of a lot cheaper and tastes a hell of a lot better - unless of course you're weird.
wild-alaska
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January 20, 2012
Coming from someone who calls himself goo-man, I'm not surprised at this comment.
SublimeMagic
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January 20, 2012
Ditto - wild-alaska
snowmagnolia
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January 20, 2012
I prefer the taste of moose to beef. I'd like to think I'm pretty normal...

And, I know that for us, moose is quite a bit cheaper than beef. We butcher it ourselves, which is a huge cost savings.
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