Schaeffer Cox’s lawyers want several charges thrown out in '241' militia plot
by Sam Friedman / sfriedman@newsminer.com
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FAIRBANKS — Schaeffer Cox’s lawyer filed a pair of motions last week asking for murder conspiracy charges against his client to be thrown out based on the way the grand jury was conducted.

The two filings accuse the prosecution of treating the grand jury like a high school class, handpicking a foreperson and failing to explain the burden of proof needed to return an indictment.

The filings are the latest in flurry of attempts to get Cox and five alleged co-conspirators released from Fairbanks Correctional Center where they have been held since March 10. They are accused in state Superior Court of creating a plot code-named “241” to kill Alaska State Troopers, an assistant district attorney and court officials.

In Alaska Superior Court, bail was originally set at $2 million for all six, but it was recently dropped to $100,000 for co-defendant Coleman Barney. In federal court, where five of the six, including Barney, face additional charges, none has been granted bail.

In one of the filings in the Cox case, attorney Robert John quotes a prosecutor in the grand jury transcript who appears to pick a foreperson out of the grand jury for arriving late, saying “that’s what you get for showing up late. It’s just like high school.”

The procedure violates the criminal rule that a grand jury itself or a judge should pick the foreperson, John says in the filing.

“Schaeffer Cox has the constitutional right to be indicted by a grand jury, not by a high-school teacher and the class he teaches.”

In the other filing John argues that grand jury was not instructed precisely enough about the standard of proof needed to indict Cox. Grand juries do not need the proof beyond a reasonable doubt needed for a criminal conviction. By criminal rules they need to find evidence that “taken together, if unexplained or uncontradicted, would warrant a conviction of the defendant.”

Contact staff writer Sam Friedman at 459-7545.
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Buick-Mackane
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July 11, 2011
So, then by your own description, cops on the corners carrying gun are trying to take over because they are on the corners carrying guns.

If the charges of planning kill are true, we still have to look at it in the context in which it appears to be in - conditional. To say that they just planned to kill is a half-truth of the matter. They planned ' IF '. It appears to have been a plan of reactionary preservation, so I would think it depends on what dynamics took place between the characters involved to come to any conclusions if they deserve long prison sentences or none at all ( barring illegal weapons charges, I suppose ). Those subjects of the condition might have served Cox and Co. an injustice with an impunity expected out of a psychopathic intruder for all I know.

Whether someone is violent or not is rather immaterial until we know the context of the violence. Some of our Founders were very violent at least in one place and time. So was Stalin and Pol Pot, yet we consider these two very different from the other two.

My own conjecture on this matter is that Cox and Co. should have known better, that the route they took would only be used as bait against themselves . If it was a matter of those characters merely harassing Cox and Co. , then I think petition and redress of grievances, public awareness through speeches, lectures and debates , etc. would obviously lent for better results.

But like I said, I don't know what dynamics took place, or for that matter; taking place.

Hopefully , facts will bear out for an accurate picture.
twain
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July 11, 2011
When they go on street corners with their guns they are taking over...or trying to. They call themselves militia....not vigilanties. Im all for them having and exercising their rights in court, but I feel their secret operations. If the charge of planning to kill judges and police officers are found to be true, then they deserve long prison centences. These are the violent ones that need to be in prison , not pot smokers.
Buick-Mackane
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July 11, 2011
I would think that would depend on the nature of ' being in charge ', i.e. , what is meant by that.

Have they expressed or implied doing so through some self-appointed martial rule , causing injured party and deprivation of rights of constitutionally-fit fellow citizens in the process ? Were they merely expressing or implying rebellion and armed resistance against those , who themselves expressed implied or acted on those violations ? Did they express or imply oppression or punishment to those who lawfully would opt not to follow them ' leading the charge ' ? Would there be a power struggle against another group of citizens who likewise take charge in an emergency ? What kind of emergency were they talking about ?

Is it possible that the media has oversimplified or miscategorized their intent by painting an incomplete picture , thus changing context ? Have you been to the militia meetings where this issue was being discussed ?

Shall I go on ?
Buick-Mackane
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July 10, 2011
I realize it's an old-fashioned notion, but the citizenry backed by constitutionally-fit acts and deeds is the law.

By your reasoning , then those who make citizen arrests, protect themselves and other, etc. are vigilantes.

In summary, you haven't answered my question , but don't fret. I'm not sure if I could answer the same question if you asked me, as I'm not privy to all that Cox and Co., in the capacity as a militia , has expressed, implied or thought to fairly answer it.
twain
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July 10, 2011
When they declared that in an emergency they would take over the street corners with their guns and be in charge. Oh yes real vigilanities declaring themselves the LAW.
Buick-Mackane
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July 09, 2011
" We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objective that we set. We gotta have a civilian national security force that is just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded. "

You are confusing Cox and Co. with the guy I just quoted, and his friends like Rahm Emmanuel and Zbigniew Brzezinski. the " we " in that quote is not referring to " We The People " and unlike your erroneous claim that ' posse comitatus is no more than ...trying to declare THEMSELVES...', like as was the case in England it is suggested to be much more - compulsory.

And that's history, ' man '.
Buick-Mackane
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July 09, 2011
Cite one example where they declared that with intent to dominate the people, please.
twain
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July 09, 2011
Posse comitatus is no more than a group of militant vigilanties trying to declare THEMSELVES a legal police force to dominate the people in times of emergency. Coxs so called militia fits this description perfectly.
Buick-Mackane
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July 08, 2011
As you may be aware of, there's a political battle brewing over the constitutional states rights vs federalized posse involving Homeland Security, NorCom , etc.

I am pleased that battle is brewing.
Buick-Mackane
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July 08, 2011
I am familiar with what Posse Comitatus means pertaining to British common law and U.S. law , use in reconstruction of the South and it's relationship to the Lieber Code, etc. I am also familiar with what the Posse Comitatus Act means.

So , under the presumption that you also know what it means , one should be able to see the danger in a citizenry accepting some notion that private civilian militias should fall under the auspices of the federal Government. The erosion of the Act for over the last twenty years has placed us once again in a Lincolnesque form of federalized police state , ignoring the fact of states rights and responsibilities to a maintenance of peace and execution of law. When this occurs, there becomes an erasure of civilian government vs military ( federal ) government.

To remove the last check and balance against this when all political relief fails - a citizen's /private militia unfettered by federal control is really facilitating the government's absolute power over a citizenry, as not only does the military becomes an instrument of the Federal Government's policing over that citizenry , but fellow neighbor citizens become so as well. So, if both citizen government and military government become subject under federal control , there's really no one left to resist any tyrannical force without becoming a hunted outlaw.
Buick-Mackane
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July 08, 2011
JetBlast, I don't doubt that that has taken place in some cases (response the other part of your comment, not the lead part , but be sure to check for water in your lead when Homeland security militarizes through the friendly folks brought to you by NorCom when bracing for an economic collapse.).

" Posse Comitatus Act ?" " We don't need no stinking Posse Comitatus Act ! "
really_wow
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July 07, 2011
This is nothing but a modern day witch hunt.

All charges are made in the same misguided reasoning & mental control of the masses.

Buick-Mackane
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July 07, 2011
Citizen militias have no obligation of association , constitutionally or otherwise, to the military , government , or any agency at all, period. the only obligation is to the Constitution itself, which is the supreme law of the land.
twain
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July 07, 2011
There has been militias all down through our history....from the revolutionary war....to civil war...on the frontier. They were organized as military units with officers assigned and a public listing of all members. During wartime these units came under control of the military.

What we have with this modern day so called militia is secret groups that want no association with the military and in most cases see them as the enemy. Its history man...everything doesnt have to be in the constitution. This cox bunch is vigilanties not militia.
Buick-Mackane
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July 07, 2011
By the way, I also believe they were not acting as a militia , certainly not at the point in question.
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